Another reason to tighten the immigration laws

This is pretty remarkable.

Two of the three players nominated for this year’s Ray Guy Award – the top prize for college punting – are Australians.

Australians have won the award the past four years.

What happened to America First?

(Ed. note:  Sadly, I probably need to say this —  I keed, I keed.  Except about the remarkable part.)

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43 responses to “Another reason to tighten the immigration laws

  1. Hogbody Spradlin

    And on the subject of furriners, both punters in Saturday’s game were Ivy Leaguers. Kinda neat.

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  2. 81Dog

    Isn’t that headline an old joke from the 70s,when European soccer style placekickers were taking over the NFL? I can’t remember if John McKay or Norman Van Brocklin or Dan Jenkins said it (or someone else), mostly as a joke.

    I guess you need to check your privilege, Senator, before the microagression police round you up. 🤣

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  3. W Cobb Dawg

    These Aussies are doing punts no American kid will do any more! There are plenty of programs that would love to outsource ALL punting to foreign lands! I don’t have a problem with it – as long as they learn to speak our language;-)

    Oh, and those f#*king pop-up adds are back and just a big a pain as ever!

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  4. Thank God we haven’t seen a rash of Haitian punters, amirite?

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  5. Got Cowdog

    They changed the rules! There is no leaping allowed anymore. We changed the law to make it easier. That’s why they are crossing the borders. Probably got signs up under there offering free steerage and tuition. You change the rules where they can be hit outside the box and that will stop all that running off to the side and kicking it low nonsense. And back in my day the placekickers wore real kicking shoes, with square toes! That damn kicker for Georgia was wearing pink shoes! The world is going to hell in a handbasket and it’s this damn generation that’s toting it.
    Hey you kids, get off my lawn! 🙂

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  6. Spike

    Spike is gonna pour himself a nice Fosters beer into a huge iced mug… Ahhh that was good!!

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  7. Rp

    It’s clearly racist that Australians make up 0.0% of the US population but 66.7% of Ray Guy award finalists.

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  8. 3rdandGrantham

    Ironically enough, Australian immigration laws are exactly what we should emulate here. Those guys have it dead-on right.

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    • The aboriginal people agree completely. They’ve let only the best people in. Respectful, courteous, non-disruptive. Can you imagine if we’d just stuck with British citizenry? We’d never have had fucking Irish catholic people on our money.

      No Irish, German or Italian, unless they were non-citizen servants of course. Such a better country we’d have.

      Maybe you and Richard Spencer and your ilk can find some kind of ??? Solution, that will correct our wayward policies of the past beginning with scraping off that senseless message in New York Harbor. We don’t need no stinking huddled masses. Their probably the type who would wear polo shirts with jeans. Ewww icky!!!

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      • rchris

        Immigration is a good thing as long as immigrants are successfully assimilated, and that has always been a job all of us must do. When you have people checking privilege and advocating salad bowls instead of melting pots, you force us to restrict immigration in order to preserve those traditions that made us great.

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        • I would value law-abiding and economically productive over assimilation. The issue I have is, other than not voting reliably republican, what group(s) of immigrants are regrettable additions? And even if you decided that you hated X group for whatever reason, the vast majority of the groups have come here as poor, desperate and illiterate and have, over time, thrived. Without them our country would be less than it is. We are a nation of immigrants, some of choice, some in chains, some by circumstance. We are better and stronger for it.

          We have 4% unemployment right now. We need more, not fewer, immigrants.

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          • Sides

            You don’t think that flooding the labor market with low cost/unskilled labor is contributing to the rich/poor divide? I thought you democrats were concerned with the most vulnerable in our society…

            As always, I am going to regret talking to you.

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            • That’s dumb even for you. What contributes to the rich/poor divide is valuing passive wealth over production. Something we’ve stupidly done for nearly 40 years and which the new tax proposals double down on.

              Protecting generational wealth is just as dumb as policies that result in generational poverty. Poor peoples grandkids getting rich and rich peoples grandkids ending up less than rich is what makes this country great.

              Look at where any of your 8 grandparents were in the 1930s and tell me why you are in a much better place?

              Unions, Medicare, Medicaid, social security, public schools and government subsidized loans would be my answer. What’s yours?

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              • Sides

                “What contributes to the rich/poor divide is valuing passive wealth over production.”

                What in the hell are you talking about? Since this is a big issue for you, what should happen to your wealth when you die? How would the government taking your money increase productivity?

                I am talking about the most vulnerable people in our society; the least skilled, educated, and compensated. The worst thing you can do for these people is outsource their menial jobs while flooding the market with more poor, uneducated or unskilled labor. I think this is the source of most of our social issues right now. Unions, public schools, and government loans aren’t going to help.

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                • Years ago Warren Buffett made an offer of $1,000,000 if any CEO in America could show that he paid a higher marginal share of his income in taxes than their assistant. The offer has remained open for around two decades.

                  The super rich have bought and paid for a government that taxes people that make less money than they do at much higher rates. That not being enough, they want to make sure that their heirs are similarly situated so that they can live on wealth that someone else earned. With the tax advantages built into the system, Mitt Romney’s heirs in 2500 will still not have to work.

                  This is a return to a feudal system. Less than 1% of the population owns more than 50% of the worlds resources and morons like yourself won’t be satisfied until your back on the Lord’s manor literally digging and rooting in shit.

                  Democracy created the middle class and there is a conspiracy to kill it off.

                  If history teaches us anything its that the rich believe that they are rich because either they were ordained by God or they are simply better than the rest of us. If you aren’t rich either you are not in God’s favor or you are lazy or otherwise unworthy.

                  Marx was grossly wrong about the solution to the problem. He did well at identifying the real tension in the world.

                  The rich get rich and then they buy and rig the system for themselves. This is the problem that libertarians never can address. How can you trust the winners not to buy a system that protects their non-productive offspring? How is it efficient to quell the productivity of the offspring of the poor who are motivated and capable.

                  After all, everyone knows, including Bob Dylan, that nothing is more helpless than a rich man’s son.

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                  • Sides

                    Quit trying to sound smarter than you are. All you have said in the first three paragraphs is that you have an issue with the long term capital gain tax rate. I hardly think this is a return to a feudal system. That is a dumb comparison.

                    “If history teaches us anything its that the rich believe that they are rich because either they were ordained by God or they are simply better than the rest of us. If you aren’t rich either you are not in God’s favor or you are lazy or otherwise unworthy.”

                    This is what you have learned about history? Why do you even write crap like this? It is just a waste of everyone’s time. If anyone else on this board wrote something this pointless you would jump all over them.

                    Nothing that you talk about will help the poorest people in our society. On the other hand, your suggestion to increase immigration because of our 4% unemployment rate would absolutely hurt these people. This is why I commented on your post.

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                    • Just because you don’t realize you’re stupid doesn’t mean you aren’t.

                      How much do the richest 1% get to own of the world before you concern yourself with feudalism? Clearly 50% ain’t it. 60?, 75? 99? What’s your number?

                      What world do you live in where the rich and powerful welcome competition for their place in society? Where have you seen the beneficence of the rich decide, “hey, let’s share our good fortune with those less fortunate?”

                      History, and frankly basic common sense, says quite the opposite. What did King John do right after the Magna Carta? He repudiated it and tried to reverse it’s impact and regain the power lost. Every advancement, in terms of liberty and economics, that people have ever made throughout history has been done at great peril and risk from those who already had power and wealth. Whether that is from the private police forces of the owners of the coal mines or the Civil War or the American Revolution. People in power and people with wealth have always fought/killed to preserve it, and/or convinced poor people to kill/fight for them.

                      As I mentioned two posts ago you illiterate, protectionism doesn’t work and that includes the labor market. The idea that is better for the economy to pay people who were born here more than what an immigrant laborer is willing to work for is grossly inefficient. Labor is a market like any other and they work best when they are free.

                      I believe in a minimum wage and a safe work place. After that: get the cucumbers picked and the house built and the cheeseburgers served as cheaply as possible. Does this help the poor? No, but I see no need assist any American in competing with a Mexican. If you were born here and the job you are looking at is considering hiring you or a guy freshly across the Rio Grande, you made some vocational fuck ups along the way.

                      Competition is what works. Artificial and inefficient barriers to competition are the problem. Poor people can’t buy their advantage from elected officials. The rich buy it every day. And what they’ve bought is a system that protects and expands its own interests. You can learn from history and observe the world around you and act and think like an intelligent person or you can be Sides.

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                    • Sides

                      “protectionism doesn’t work and that includes the labor market. Labor is a market like any other and they work best when they are free.”

                      “Artificial and inefficient barriers to competition are the problem.”

                      “I believe in a minimum wage”

                      Is the minimum wage not an artificial barrier to competition?

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                    • It is necessary one. Much like insisting that factories have machines that don’t chop off limbs. Some “guardrails” are absolutely necessary in the workplace. You also shouldn’t be able to call people racial epitaphs, insist on sex as a condition of employment, and require a 120 work week.

                      Sensible regulations make sense. Limiting the number of potential employees to protect an existing pool of potential employees is likely not going to go well for the employer over time.

                      For example, if you own a chicken processing plant in Gainesville, GA do you want your labor pool to be from the community only or would you also like to hire some Mexicans? What happens if you tell him that he can’t hire Mexicans?

                      I don’t know what your experience is but the American born folks I know who are qualified to work at the chicken plant are disproportionately unmotivated, high, lazy, scofflaws who have a hard time with being on time to anything.

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                    • Sides

                      We both agree that we need some form of protectionism. The free market clearly doesn’t work unrestrained. I prefer it using immigration and trade while you prefer wages. Your conversations could actually be productive if you would learn to talk to people without insulting them.

                      Using your Chicken plant example. I would rather see the plant pay more for higher quality workers (they can be white, black, brown or whatever)than bring in a new set of low wage workers. I think my way raises the quality of the community while yours continues to marginalize people, creating more social issues.

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                    • How can I be polite when you type things that dumb?

                      The idea that what we need is really highly skilled and paid landscapers, chicken processors and orange pickers is just so fucking dumb its painful. I’m sorry but I can’t help it.

                      Unskilled jobs are out there and will always be. They need to be done as cheaply as possible. This is not a debatable issue.

                      People with skills aren’t looking for these jobs, they don’t want them and wouldn’t do them no matter what you paid them.

                      I wouldn’t work in a field in California for twice what I’m making. You wouldn’t either. And if that’s what it took to pick the crops, food costs would break us.

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                    • Sides

                      You don’t have to be polite to me. I have seen how you act and I approach you accordingly. You clearly feel inadequate and make it up by being an online tough guy.

                      What I said is that if you can’t find anyone to do the work at what you are paying then you need to pay more. This is better for society than marginalizing the existing people and bringing in another class of low wage/low skilled workers. There is a social cost to doing unskilled jobs at the cheapest possible rate.

                      You clearly aren’t working in a field for any amount of money. Judging by your constant bloviating I doubt you have worked many hard days in your entire life.

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                  • Hard work and low pay encouraged me to get an education so I wouldn’t have to deal with either.

                    They can find people at lower wages. They just aren’t necessarily Americans.

                    The real reason this is a political issue is two-fold. One, it dove tails nicely with white victimization, nationalism and prejudice. Two, the natural born children of immigrants don’t vote for republicans. There has historically been one immigrant community embraced by republicans: Cubans. Why? They’ve historically voted republican.

                    The same people who support the “build a wall” guy don’t want a minimum wage. They want wages to go even lower.

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      • Bill June

        Of course, anyone who supports a merit-based immigration system like every other country on the globe is a racist. Life has changed and so have economies. The country needs a new immigration policy. Sorry if you are too fragile to handle reality.

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        • And I’m sorry if you don’t understand that we are different (better) than other countries. We built this country first on owned and then on immigrant labor, all cheaper than the domestic market would have allowed. It wasn’t built on foreign engineers and doctors. You need immigrants in the fields and on the construction sites. Anywhere you need a hard days work for low pay, you need immigrants.

          Your food, your housing, etc… all comes more affordably because of low labor costs.

          Those folks grandchildren will compete with yours for spots in the labor market and in schools. If you think competition is a bad thing then you don’t understand capitalism or America. You don’t get to rest on your laurels here. Never have.

          The greatness of America is in the fact that everyone can win and everyone can lose. It’s up to you. Comfortable people are non-productive people.

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        • And I’m sorry if you don’t understand that we are different (better) than other countries. We built this country first on owned and then on immigrant labor, all cheaper than the domestic market would have allowed. It wasn’t built on foreign engineers and doctors. You need immigrants in the fields and on the construction sites. Anywhere you need a hard days work for low pay, you need immigrants.

          Your food, your housing, etc… all comes more affordably because of low labor costs.

          Those folks grandchildren will compete with yours for spots in the labor market and in schools. If you think competition is a bad thing then you don’t understand capitalism or America. You don’t get to rest on your laurels here. Never have.

          The greatness of America is in the fact that everyone can win and everyone can lose. It’s up to you. Comfortable people are non-productive people.

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          • Bill June

            That’s a great speech for the industrial revolution. We live in the information age now. We need intelligent tech people, not factory workers. If you haven’t noticed, the factory jobs have been shipped overseas. Driverless cars are coming, meaning Uber won’t be an option. Manual labor jobs are going away in droves. Construction jobs are being automated and brick and mortar retail is becoming a thing of the past.

            The family-based immigration system where we bring over an immigrant and then all their extended family join them, regardless of their input to the economy, is antiquated. The US needs to keep up with the times. Every other country in the world gets this, but I guess we are “better”.

            Platitudes that you memorized from a textbook are not the basis for sound policy. Calling everyone a racist who dosen’t adopt your line of grandiose utopian ideals is what is wrong with the country. Logic and science are what will sustain the nation, not stupidity by emotional people who can’t handle reality.

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    • PTC DAWG

      I knew someone would take the bait..

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      • Got Cowdog

        It’s all good, PTC. It’s a super slow time of year and I’m stuck on call. It’s always entertaining when posts go sideways. Some debate, some history, some linked affirmation, then somebody’s a fucking moron. To be sure, I have only read the first two and last two paragraphs of this particular comment thread. I’m going to google United States Work Visa, then fill in the blanks.
        Keep up the good work, Fellas!

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      • Got Cowdog

        No no no, PTC. Leave ’em alone. Its a slow day here and this one has it all! From aboriginal annexation (Looking at you, Sitting Bull) to depression era social policy and it’s affect on modern socio-economics (Derek is right, but needs to flesh out the reasons why), to how The potential Utopian future is driving the need for immigration reform? This is awesome and one of my favorite subjects. Rock on, Fellas!

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        • Got Cowdog

          Sorry, IT guys playing with our system, can’t see what goes through. Like I said, slow day, just entertaining myself……

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  9. Russ

    The most remarkable thing about this to me is that more people don’t use this style of punting. It’s nearly impossible to scheme against and it kills the return.

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  10. Bill June

    Need to build a barrier reef and make the Aussies pay for it.

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  11. Uglydawg

    The perfect punter? Triple threat…A kid that can punt well, run well and pass well. A lot of small high schools will have a kid like this..he is the QB, punter and can run. He probably kicks extra points too…and is a star on the basketball team when football season ends
    Bryce Ramsey kind of fits this mold, but CMR and CKS have never been big on fake punts, etc.
    But I’d love to always have a punter that can do all of that…doesn’t have to be super in every phase, but very good in all. It keeps the defense honest and lets you cover punts better…esp if you’ve shown the willingness to run the fake on unpredictable occasions.
    BTW..Shit on GT.

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  12. Leggo5

    Went looking to see how far Cam Nizaliek was from being a Finalist and came away with questions. How is Alabama’s JK Scott a Finalist. He’s not even listed in the NCAA stats page, presumably because he doesn’t have the minimum number of punts to be included in the stats (3.6 punts per game required). So, when you look at his stats outside the official NCAA stats page, you see he’s only averaging 41 yards per punt this season (down from 47 last year). That puts Scott 6+ yards, on average, less than the #1 Aussie Punter. So, Bama bump or what?

    By the way, Nizaliek was 15th in the NCAA in average per punt. He’s punted far fewer times than most of the leaders, as well.

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  13. Marc

    Groza Award finalist Dominik Eberle of Utah State Eberle is from Nuremberg, Germany and is poised to set the Utah State record for field goal accuracy, finishing a season in which he has made 16-of-18 attempts thus far.

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  14. rex

    They have a school to do exactly this. It’s called Prokick Academy and has produced 3 of the last 4 Ray Guy award winners. http://www.prokickaustralia.com/

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