Shot.
Kelly gave a terse response when asked about the fake injury in his Sunday conference call:
“Owusu was evaluated for a concussion. He was brought to the tent. So, that’s hard to be booing at a young man who suffered an evaluation for a concussion.
“Quite honestly, Georgia doesn’t play very fast, so I found that to be quite interesting there would be a number of questions on something like that.”
Chaser.
To paraphrase a saying, it’s better to remain silent and be thought an asshole than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Get The Picture 
We all knew they were faking injuries but this is absolute proof. I hadn’t seen 20 before this post. Cheatin’ bastards.
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So in this case, I’m almost certain that ND#6 was legit hurt and was totally out of it here. On the play before, he had a nasty collision with Herrien I believe, and he did seem out of it before his teammate pulled him down. With that said, there’s no doubt in my mind ND worked on fake injuries leading up to the game, as #20 clearly was following instructions from the staff to get down. And that led to the next ‘injury,’ as the player who fell down in front of Fromm due to having something in his eye was comical at best.
Long story short, Brian Kelly was both telling the truth and lying. Indeed ND6 was hurt, however to bristle at questions regarding fake injuries is disingenuous at best. With all that said, my question is why in the hell aren’t we running more up tempo with the O unit? Fromm really seems in his element, and we typically look fantastic when doing so.
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Agreed, it’s hard to tell from this clip but if it was backed up 1 or 2 seconds, #6 legit appears to be wobbly on his feet, I’m not sure he knew where he was at the moment. I noticed it when watching live and I think somebody on their sideline noticed it too and was telling him to go down. #20 is facing the same direction and was roughly in the same line of sight, so if somebody from the side is telling #6 to go down, I can see how #20 thought they were talking to him. But I think this situation was way more legit than it appears at first glance.
Now the other dude who brushed Fromm and went down, that was legit BS.
Someone posted a longer version of the clip in the comments last night. If you go back and watch it, you can see that #6 just doesn’t look right, kind of wobbly.
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Right. If 6 was legit wobbly and the sideline is telling him to get down because he’s not ready for the next play, fine. Just say that. But Kelly didn’t say that. And it’s notable that 11, or whatever his number is, backs off like a grenade’s in the area rather than show concern for his fallen teammate. So the suspicion remains.
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I know I’m late to the party but you’re right that #6 looked wobbly right before the other player pulled him to the ground. I rewatched the game tonight and took the opportunity to look for that hard hit with Herrien, which did happen. But it was 2 plays before he was pulled to the ground. The play before he went to the ground he didn’t come into contact with anyone. And he was a little wobbly after he hit Herrien 2 plays before. He was also wobbly 3 plays before after he didn’t contact anyone but had quite a bit of running. That leads me to believe that he was walking wobbly because he was gassed and not because his bell was rung. But I’d rather err on the side of caution because head injuries are no joke and should be taken seriously. So I’ll give him and ND a break on that one.
However, the second ND player to go down after bumping Fromm when the offense was already lined up, was in fact bullshit. He supposedly had something in his eye, or had his eye poked. But in the play where that would’ve happened, the player was barely touched. And at no point was there a hand or finger anywhere near the players face. But maybe a little bit of grass got in his eye when he fell to the ground when trying to tackle Swift as Swift was running away from him. If that’s the case then there should be a timeout after every play so all players can get some eyedrops because a little bit of grass in one’s eye is enough to cancel the entire game. What a fucking joke. I’ve never had a problem with ND even though my wife can’t stand them. But after watching them pull some questionable (at the absolute best) shit because they were getting beat, has soured my opinion of the team. That Bush League shit has no place in the game and neither do the players that do it nor the teams that, at best, tolerate it. So they can go fuck themselves.
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LSU did it against Texas and not only did it help them win, but Coach O managed to turn the conversation about poor sportsmanship by LSU into a question of poor sportsmanship by Texas who put them up in a hot ass locker room. This is big time sports and I guess if you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying.
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Suffered an evaluation for a concussion? WTF does that even mean? He’s a douchebag
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Right, the phrasing from Kelly is interesting and probably intentional.
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Suffered an evaluation for a concussion? WTF does that even mean? He’s a douchebag
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“…hard to be booing at a young man who suffered an evaluation for a concussion.”
Hey, Brian, we weren’t booing the young man; we were booing the old man who called it.
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I don’t know. I say it’s best to err on the side of caution when it comes to the health of these young men.
Second guessing the health of someone from the stands seems pretty tacky.
If your offense is working it will work in a couple of seconds.
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This is where I was and am. Also, I watch a lot of soccer and this is just… well, I don’t see it as a big deal.
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People shouldn’t flop in soccer either. I know people care less and less about it all the time, but it’s dishonorable.
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Diving in soccer is technically a yellow card, although it’s rarely enforced.
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If you’re correct in your assumption that “if your offense is working it will work in a couple seconds” then why bother doing it all?
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Bingo. “A couple seconds” is more like a couple minutes.
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Yes, the officials need to stop play – nobody wants someone truly hurt to keep playing – but number 20 kind of gave the ruse away there. He wasn’t hurt but he was getting a signal. That’s what ought to be penalized. A lot of false start calls might not make any difference in the outcome of a given play. It’s just wrong.
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Simplest solution: Make a rule that if you require an injury timeout to leave the field, then you must sit out the rest of that quarter. That would protect the truly injured while preventing the faking of injuries.
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…which will lead to the inevitable attempts by other teams to headhunt a team’s best players/twist their ankles at the bottoms of piles in an effort to knock them out early in the quarters to keep them from playing.
Watch out for the law of unintended consequences.
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What, that’s not happening already? Kentucky’s Cash twisting ankles in piles, Clemson giving the opposing players a butt plug, the Saints getting caught paying bounties…
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And stuff like that never happens here?
You’d think some folks never watch football. You see this happen all the time against the HUNU folks. It’s become part of the game. I have to say it’s more fun for me to watch Gus blowing a gasket at Auburn when it happens than for our own guys, who would rather shorten the game with the run, getting bent out of shape about it. It’s a tactic. It’s legal. Use it if you can. You have to be good enough to win the next play, no matter how long it takes. When you get there, who cares who’s laying on the ground.
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Because it’s a delay of game which is against the rules (i.e. draws a penalty). So it should be penalized.
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Maybe he saw an eye booger and was just trying to get it out for him?
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Oh my goodness. the baby cooing in the background of that clip….
Dad: “What in the world”
I should have been more like that when my daughter was small. 😉
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I always thought they should be forced to sit out the rest of the offensive series regardless. Keeps players from trying to hide concussion symptoms and go right back in, and protects from overzealous coaches that might look the other way even if they see symptoms. Then guys with a little dirt in their eye will just run off the field, not fall down at the QB’s feet like they are in need of a stretcher.
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A quarter seems excessive, but certainly some set amount of game clock time or a number of plays can make sense. In soccer, if you have to be carted off you have to wait for the referee’s permission to re-enter the game and it’s completely at the ref’s discretion. I don’t think that can work in football, but some sort of mandatory stop-out from the game seems like a good rule.
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Just make it for the rest of the possession. They can come back in when the ball changes hands.
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I still remember an auburn back blocked our guy by hitting him directly on the knee with his helmet. Not saying it was dirty, but I’m sure it hurt and our guy went down and stayed there.
The auburn crowd booed. Gary Danielson called the Auburn crowd “sophisticated.”
The lesson: Don’t be Auburn….or Gary.
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I think it is an impossible situation for an official to call a penalty on it. Especially with safety concerns for athletes. What I would like to see happen is that if play is stopped for an injury evaluation, that player must remain out of the game until the ball is turned over to the other team or a score happens. That way the officials are not asked to use judgment, and the defense has to consider who they are willing to be without for the drive if they want to pull this type of bs.
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I agree with DawgPhan, Whether it was legit or not, for us to boo without knowing for sure was very Auburnesque of our fan base. We’re better than that when it comes to the health of kids on the field. We have been known for our class as fans in the past but that took a hit Saturday night. We can analyze after the game and voice it in the media but I prefer to hear cheers, not boos from UGA fans.
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The first time I thought it was a little bogus but didn’t deserve the crowd reaction … the second time especially when the player got up apparently not injured where the training staff was needed (if it was something eye-related, the kid could have made it to the sideline under his own power) was a joke.
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The booing started when they showed the replay of the ND player pushing down the other player to stop the play.
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I know it’s hard to discern where a boo is intended but mine were aimed squarely at the ND coaching staff and the referees. I never boo a player with one exception- Nick Fairley- he should have been ejected. Anyway- I saw what 20 did (when it happened) on the first dive- which is why I booed. The second was one wasn’t much better either. ND coaches can claim the higher ground here (wrongly) but the general population knew what was happening.
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Ok now this is funny…….
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Those people are geniuses.
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Good stuff. I always enjoy their stuff even if it’s directed our way.
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Number 20 is the tell. His actions clearly prove,to me anyway, that there is a signal from the sidelines that says flop. Conceding that #6’s bell maybe rung….he was vertical and walking to the sidelines …….let him raise his hand walk off the field and sub for him. Being dragged down by his teammate is just to stop the clock and we ALL know it. Kelly should have told the reporter to ask his next question. His comment that we(UGA) don’t run the HUNH that much is just plain disingenuous , we were running it when these flops occurred and it was working great …..too well for the Domers to handle. The “I’ve got something in my eye so I’ve got to fall down incident” is outrageous…just leave the field . A one quarter sit on the bench if you cause a stop in the action is probably the answer.
I was at the game and haven’t seen the replay but did Danielson really criticize our fans for booing? He is a good analysis but if he thinks the fans were wrong he is also an analist….with a severe case of rectal cranial insertion.
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No, Danielson criticized ND for flopping.
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Post of the day!
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we have a winner.
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The Refs should flag their ass for this.. that would put a stop to it.. Concussion my ass, GFY Kelly.
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TV loves the extra commercial time. As long as guys aren’t going down every play, it’s a fail-safe way for defensive coaches to get their subs in.
It’s a counter to the “rush to the line to keep the defense from subbing and then pick your nose while the OC decides on a play call”. I hate both and see this as two sides of the same coin.
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If Kelly knew how to manage a clock, he wouldn’t have to pull this shit.
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Potential solution…….Refs put a stop watch on how long the injury holds up the game. That time, up to ten seconds (but not longer..in case of real honest and serious injury) is given to the opposing team to either add or subtract from the game clock at the final three minutes mark of the game..They can use it either way or just not use it.
Second offense on same drive is 15 seconds. (times are just a suggestion..they would probably be adjusted downward if this became a rule)
The team with the injury is allowed to take a timeout, if they have one left, in lieu of the time penalty.
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I don’t suppose anybody remembers this somewhere around the 2:40 mark?
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Goff isn’t telling our players to fake injuries there. He’s telling them to stay down on defense to run the clock.
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Yep, that happens all the time when you run into the center of the line with no timeouts. That’s why you DON’T run into the center of the line with no time outs. The defense got up, they just weren’t in any hurry.
I didn’t see any faked injuries there. However, I’m on the side that says don’t put the refs in the position to tell if a player is faking or not. If play has to stop for an injured player, that player has to remain on the sidelines until the next series. In the name of player safety, you know? Sort of like having to leave the field if your helmet comes off.
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No there’s no injuries but both serve to slow the game down..
you’re okay with one not the other. I promise you Pat didn’t like that and had a lot to say about it later.
I remember when Richt was running a hurry up offense in Athens and then all of the sudden they wanted to slow him down.
But here let me fix it:
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Different subject altogether, but first of all, Auburn got a spot on the one foot line when the replay showed the runners foot out of bounds on the two yard line (47 to 58 mark). Then Auburn’s left guard and tackle never got set and were moving before the ball was snapped, but of course there was no call (3:45 to 3:50 mark). Was Mr. Wagers reffing this one too?
“The offense must set before the play: all players must take their positions and remain motionless for at least 1 second before the ball is snapped. Typically, after the offense breaks the huddle and walks to the line, the quarterback will call “set” and then begin his regular snap count.”
That was one win that “One play away Ray” more than earned.
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Remembers? Probably. Gives a goddamn? No. What possible relevance does that bullshit have to do with the 2019 season?
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Hey Brian, I’ll not be lectured on student safety by a man who stuck a student manager in a scissor lift during high speed wind gusts resulting in said student’s death, thanks
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Yup!
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#6’s concussion evaluation was so bad, it almost took out #20. I hope he recovers soon. Thoughts and prayers, and all that.
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Manti Te’o’s girlfriend needs to tackle better.
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I was disappointed to hear so many booing when 6 went down tbh. Even with the 2nd guy, who I was certain was faking it.
What concerns with #6 is two-fold. I saw him wobbling and going into the tent. If he wasn’t faking then how could they possibly let him come back into the game? You’re gonna tell me that he honestly pass concussion protocol?? I’m no doctor but someone stumbling around is a clear sign of a concussion. I’ve been there! If he wasn’t concussed then that was some next level fake injury preparation. Either way, it’s a bad look for ND.
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Exactly.
Bottom line is that Notre Dame has been caught cheating and now lying.
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We weren’t playing all that fast? Maybe not, but… is it just me, or were the ND defenders’ hands not on their hips while their mouths were sucking in air like a catfish flopping on the bank? The up-tempo, no huddle offense is where Fromm thrives. That is his wheelhouse, his sweet spot.
If Smart and Coley hadn’t decided to turn off the machine, or should I say had not decided to run it in spurts, we could have bulldozed them and scored TD’s instead of FG’s. What’s the point in having a top notch surgeon in the OR, if you ain’t going to let him operate?
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