Your 11.11.20 Playpen

Tired:  Republican operatives promoting a Kanye West run for President as a means of peeling votes away from Joe Biden.

Wired:

After all those years of voting Libertarian, this may be the first time I’ve witnessed the LP have a meaningful impact on the outcome of a presidential election.

Also, lest we forget, this.

And with that, the floor is yours.

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  1. Jack Klompus

    To all you vets: Thank you for your service and willingness to put yourself in harms way so we can have crazy-ass discussions like this weeks Play Pin is going to turn into.

    In all seriousness. A heartfelt- “Thank You”

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  2. spur21

    I’m spending what is supposed to be my day away from the bullshit going on in the political world to build a new kick ass computer.

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    • Hogbody Spradlin

      “Build”? You nerd! 😉

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      • spur21

        Nah a grade school student can build a great computer these days – it’s all plug and play as long as the case is sufficient to hold all the bits and pieces.

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    • Now if you really want to start a flame war, say whether NVIDIA or AMD Radeon are better graphics cards.

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      • spur21

        Funny you would mention that as I can’t find a great video card that is reasonably priced. I’ll finish the computer and add the video card when they are not in such demand. The motherboard has adequate video capabilities with out a great card.
        Video cards are like current lumber prices – ridiculously priced.

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        • mg4life0331

          I went with 5600xt. It’s great maxing out at 1080p

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        • Illini84

          Hey spur, do you have any association with the Army Aviation Heritage Foundation?

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          • spur21

            Nope. I’ve thought about it as well as joining VHPA. One of our scout observers has a great website dedicated to our old unit that I frequently visit. I’ve been able to contact some of my old buddies through the site which was good and bad if that makes sense.

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            • Illini84

              Yea, VHPA is where I found your call sign. A couple of years back we had a charity auction and I won a ride in the front seat (obviously) of a Cobra down there and we really impressed with how they have taken care of the birds.

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              • RangerRuss

                I84, my old buddy Phil volunteered for the Navy in ’66. He said when he got off the bus at Great Lakes, MI a Chief came down the line pointing one, two, one, two, one, two. All the twos got back on the bus and headed to Parris Island. Phil was fortunate to spend his time as a Navy Airedale in Florida.
                That’s odd to me as I was under the impression the Marines were an all volunteer force.

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                • Illini84

                  He may have “volunteered” for the draft. You could do that, list a preference and only have to do two years. The corps took draftees when they didn’t have enough enlistee’s to fill their quota’s. Do you know about Project 100,000 (they also called it MacNamara’s Moron Corps)? To make up for draft deferments the military tool ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND troopers who could not pass basic mental and physical standards. It started right before I went in, Oct 66 and lasted a couple of years.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000

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                • RangerRuss

                  Just talked to ol Phil. He told me his mom received his draft notice and he went directly to enlist without even opening it.

                  I became familiar with McNamara’s 100,000 in ’86 as a Company Commander. Had an E-6 KP Pusher that big Army was going to put out with 18 years. 1SGT said that wasn’t right. Yes he was a shithead, but he had been a shithead for 18 years. If they were gonna put him out they should’ve done it long before. The soldier came to duty every day no matter how much he’d had to drink and did his job to the best of his ability. With the help of a friendly JAG OFFicer we were able to keep him in until he hit 20.
                  Man, I knew Sergeants Major that fit the time frame and intellectual disability to be one of Mac’s Morons. Quite a few officers that fit also if only they’d had enlisted time.

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                • RangerRuss

                  For the record I think deferments are chickenshit. If you want to go to college in lieu of being drafted? Great. You’re in ROTC. Everyone does their time in service. Got bones spurs you say? That’s fine. We have something you can do. As Social Security told my late buddy Doug after he was retired from CSX with full disability, “There are 337 jobs you can do at a desk.”
                  Turn some of these congressmen’s children into IED magnets and see how eager they are to feed their true constituents at KBR and Halliburton my tax money.

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                • spur21

                  I volunteered for the draft after taking all the test to qualify for flight school. I figured if I flunked out of flight school I would only have 2 years and most of that would be eaten up with basic and half of flight school. After flight school I was discharged as a US and reenlisted as a RA for a 3 year commitment. When I came home for that paradise known as Vietnam I was given the choice – Ft. Hood – Ft Rucker (I was an IP) or go home. I took home. I then joined the reserve unit at Dobbins AFB so I could fly. Spent 7 years flying medivac with the reserve unit.

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                • akascuba

                  Ranger,
                  The Israeli government has it right, Citizens are required military service. There are some reasonable exceptions. Being a politicians child is not one. All Americans should be given the gift of service. Best way going forward for us to learn how to work together. No exemptions for the child of politicians would stop many future wars.

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        • Jack Klompus

          All in, what does it cost to build a computer?

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          • spur21

            Really depends on what you want to accomplish with the system. My current build is very high end and it will cost $1800 – $2000 when completed. I did source some stuff from a buddy that had brand new stuff he wasn’t using which saved me a ton of $$$. I got a monitor for $350 he paid nearly $1000 for it. He is one of those gotta have the latest greatest gizmo and $$ is not his main concern. My CPU cooling fan was donated by him – he paid a kings ransom for it. I was going to go liquid cooling before he gave me his extra Noctua fan.
            If you don’t have very high demands you can build for way less.

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        • I know for a while the price was getting artificially driven up because people were buying in bulk for bitcoin mining, but I’d heard that’s less useful now. But it is nuts that you could by the latest XBOX plus a PS5 and still come up $650 short of a top video card cost.

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        • Russ

          I think video cards will stop being indemand when crypto currency goes away. Which is never.

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    • Ive built 3, with upgrades to all three. Over the course of many years. I really dont want to try anymore, lol. Windows is SO expensive now. Bootleg windows helped a lot 20 years ago.

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  3. Graham Floyd

    Count me in that number in Georgia. My first time voting anything but Republican on a Presidential ballot. Couldn’t stomach voting for him again.

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    • Voted Gary Johnson in ’16, but got myself to vote for Biden this time.

      I don’t think all those Libertarian votes this year would have gone to Trump. I think many people, if they’d had only 2 choices, would’ve voted Biden. I think Trump really pissed off a lot of voters when he tweeted–October of 2019–that “Never Trumpers” were “human scum.”

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  4. Hogbody Spradlin

    Query how the libertarian vote totals compare in those states to previous presidential elections? If the same, nobody should complain. If considerably higher than previous elections, then Trump may have pissed off and pissed away his victory margin.
    I do not imply anything but what I say here.

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    • Derek

      Couldn’t find result for all those states quickly but libertarians did twice as well in PA in 2016 and three times as well in WI in 2016.

      Who knows what those Johnson/Weld voters did in 2020?

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    • fisheriesdawg

      Jorgensen got a lot less than Johnson did in 2016. It’s not so much that people left Trump and voted for the LP. It’s that they either left the LP and voted Biden or they left Trump and voted Biden because they were so fed up. Personally, I went from McMullin in 2016 to Biden this year. Four years of the BS finally pushed me to the point of voting for a candidate that I really don’t want to be President (and a VP that frankly terrifies me) just to try to end the circus.

      These people that berate third party voters for not making the “correct” binary choice don’t really understand third party voters very well. Once you make that leap, you’re acknowledging that you’re abandoning the ability to help a lesser evil…because you’re trying to influence the choices you hope to have in the future in the hope that maybe one of them isn’t so terrible. They’re also highly presumptive in thinking that any party somehow “owns” those votes. The moment that the Republican Party nominated Trump in 2016 was the moment that they lost my vote at the top of the ticket. There was nothing they could do about it or no caterwauling about socialism or defund the police or whatever flaw the D side had that would change that short of nominating someone else at the top of their own ticket.

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      • Derek

        Throwing your vote away is just another way of not being heard.

        If you analyze how politics works both sides are trying to get to 50 percent and a little more. You may think they have principles. Other than power, they don’t. Its just cobbled together policy positions poll tested to achieve a desired result: winning.

        Those who opt out are ignored. You can either be a constituent or be irrelevant.

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        • Like fisheriesdawg above, I didn’t consider my vote for Johnson in 2016 a throwaway. I hoped more people would vote Libertarian that year, and send a message to both major parties that we-the-people weren’t happy with either of their nominations. Of course that’s not the way it worked out; looking back I wish I’d voted for Hillary. And the one thing I was sure of before this election: no way in hell was I voting for Trump. I’m glad the Dems put up someone who might not be all that terrible (can’t say I’m unhappy that there’s no clear majority for either party in Congress).

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        • otto1980

          Both parties fight for voter turnout and thus not showing up is heard. Abrams worked for the African American vote to turn out after Hillary saw a reduced turnout with the African American vote. They were heard after ’16

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        • fisheriesdawg

          You’re the kind of person that kind of makes me regret my Biden vote. I put you and the Trump boat parade people in the same category. Screw all of you.

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  5. Based on the numbers, the Libertarian vote swung it to Trump 4 years ago & now it’s looking like the opposite is true. It’s a pretty small coalition (3% in 2016; a little over 1% this year), but one that seems to be becoming more & more vital.

    FTW & #EndTheFed

    And a big thank you to all the Veterans.

    GO DAWGS!

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  6. ASEF

    On Veterans Day, we’ve got some Americans try to throw out ballots because they have USAF post office boxes as “out of state and hence illegal” voters. That’s some thanks for their service.

    I grew up in a town filled with veterans (very large military base), and you see the scars they bear, physically and emotionally. They pay a steep price.

    God bless our veterans.

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  7. drunkenmonken

    Didn’t Ross Perot get blamed for HW losing to slick Willie? Maybe not a libertarian but an independent? I do wish the libertarian party could be a viable option.

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    • Derek

      Third parties need a parliamentary system to have a real impact. The way our democracy is constructed it will always be a two party system. One party can die and be replaced. Thats happened (at least?) twice but you’re not going to see large participation in a party that has no chance to elect a president IMHO.

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      • Previously Paul

        The Republican Party died and was replaced by a Trump personality cult four years ago. It will be interesting to see what happens once Trump is gone, whenever that may be. I don’t see him willingly giving up his stranglehold on the party regardless of the outcome of this election.

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        • Derek

          The shocking thing were the gop gains in the House and the additional millions of voters trump got over 2016.

          God knows who those people are, but its going to be hard for the GOP to rid themselves of trump or trumpism. Unless he goes to prison.

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          • Jack Klompus

            Interestingly, it’s mostly for the same reason that I typically don’t vote Democrat. I don’t like being browbeaten by politicians, and the Democrats have cornered the market on that.
            Other reasons:
            -“It’s the economy, stupid”. The people that switched to Trump want the economy open and want to work, Brown, White, Black, whatever and felt Trump would do that.
            -BLM, Defund the Police and the riots all played a part too.

            The Democrats can ruin the GOP if they’d just learn to leave people alone, just a little. The GOP can win back everything if they’d figure out how to get rid of the lunatics, learn to have some compassion, and evolve as a party instead of trying to keep their platform the same as it was in 1987.

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            • Derek

              You’ll never see me credit democratic messaging for anything but vacillating from stupid to timid and sometimes both.

              Their only saving grace is not being evil. So i vote not evil.

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      • akascuba

        I wish there was some other option. Of course if I could change just one thing in our system it would be term limits. One term and your done for life. Political ruling class IMO was not what our founding fathers had in mind.

        It’s not possible to avoid corruption when you stay in office for 20-50 years. You lose all context what it’s like for a regular family or small business person. For my generation not a single Senators son was KIA in Nam. They just believe they are above us.

        OK I feel better now carry on.

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        • Previously Paul

          I believe you are correct. In fact, term limits was the issue that ushered in the ‘Republican Revolution’ headed up by our very own Newt Gingrich. Surprisingly (not!) once elected, term limits didn’t seem so attractive anymore. The issue died. Republicans conveniently came up with competing term limit plans and decided they couldn’t agree which was best. So, no term limits turned out to be best.

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          • akascuba

            I don’t think we’ll ever see term limits because the current political ruling class would never vote for it. It’s easy to say vote them all out and I agree.
            How Newt avoided the issue was most Americans support term limits. They just won’t vote their person out office. They support everyone else doing it.

            How many Billions of dollars were spent this year to buy political office. Those big donors and PAC’s expect ROI. Don’t vote as your party tells you to then come the next election they find and fund your replacement.

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        • Grafton

          Its not the politicians fault. The fault falls on the voters who keep them in office.

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          • HirsuteDawg

            Not going to be able to do much with the voters as long as we are gerrymandered in so many places. It forces the the candidates further to the extremes (right or left) with moderate candidates eliminated in the primaries.

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            • Grafton

              The voters are the ones with the power. Unfortunately most people don’t have the critical thinking skills necessary to vote in their best interest. Politicians know this and take full advantage of it. The last thing politicians want are educated voters.

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          • Not the fault of the people who design, construct, and maintain the system designed to keep them in power? Agree to disagree.

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      • Suppose Trump finally is persuaded to remove himself peacefully from the White House.

        Suppose also that he doesn’t go to jail for tax fraud.

        Then suppose the Republicans don’t nominate him for Prez in 2024.

        THEN you’d see a third party candidate who’d draw a lot of votes in a Presidential election.

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        • DawgFlan

          This would be a very interesting scenario. I was a never Trumper in 2016, but several of my friends that held their nose and voted for Trump have become default Trumpers because he has shown such power in energizing the base for the GOP as long as they carry Trump’s water. It would be fascinating on so many levels to see Trump as a 3rd Party candidate.

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  8. Scotty King

    If Trump didn’t have a Twitter account, he would still be president.

    I voted Libertarian in 2016.

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  9. PTC DAWG

    At least the Libertarian votes were legal.

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    • Derek

      The dems would have rigged 2016 but decided not to.

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    • Damn, man, butt hurt much?

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      • PTC DAWG

        Counting the legal votes would be a good start. From the celebrations I saw on the Dem side, actually going out and voting is obviously not dangerous.

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      • RangerRuss

        Bluto, you didn’t ask me but I am quite a bit. Faced with a choice of voting for a draft dodging, philandering, yankee scum, NYcityboy with a criminal past clean as the undies my Mama washed in Clorox versus Chicago exported corruption on an industrial scale, laws-don’t-apply-to-me democrats? There is no question. Some of the lamest excuses I heard for voting against Trump are “he is mean” or “not Presidential”. WTF, over? We’ve all worked for assholes who got the job done. Personally, I like $1.80 gasoline, more of my tax money in my account and troops allowed to do their job without being burdened with an ROE more restrictive than beat cops.
        What I don’t like is corruption, watching my government turn into a banana republic and the country turned into a third world shithole with my savings and investments depleted by inflation. Fuck my feelings about POTUS. I’m more concerned with what’s right and competent.
        If this voter fraud is as widespread as alleged I hope everyone involved is sent to FPMITA prison along with the rest of the corrupt assholes pervading both houses of Congress and the entrenched bureaucracy.
        Yeah I’m butthurt.

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        • If this voter fraud is as widespread as alleged…

          I hear ‘ya, Russ, but as of now, your “If” is doing a shit ton of heavy lifting. There is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud.

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          • RangerRuss

            I reckon we’ll see. Lots of shady shit went on after midnight 3 Nov.

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            • Grafton

              I really can’t get behind the idea that the people who couldn’t find the right For Seasons want us to believe they found 40,000 fraudulent votes in Philly.

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              • RangerRuss

                Grafton, I’m always amazed when a governor or big city mayor goes to prison upon completion of his term. But this is what occurs in states such as Illinois and cities such as ATL and New Orleans on a regular basis. Why would they do that and what makes them think they can get away with it?
                What concerns me is the amount of corruption that’s never prosecuted. It’s been my experience that the majority of criminal activity goes undiscovered. Brazen stupidity and arrogance is what busts most criminals.

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                • Grafton

                  The shit is everywhere. Both parties, huge cities and small towns. Everyone should be held accountable no matter what side of the isle they are on. Also, we hear more about big city corruption because it makes the news. We don’t hear about small Midwest conservative town corruption because no one outside of said town gives a shit. Humans are disgusting animals. Give them power and often times they do disgusting things.

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                • The solution must be to keep giving them more and more power.

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            • signaldawg

              Like what shady shit? Counting legal mail-in ballots?

              Also, you may like low gas prices (I do too) but it’s not a good thing for the economy. They are only low because demand has gone way down during the pandemic. And thousands of people have lost their jobs in that industry and related industries as a result. The only way the gas prices are going to stay this low is if the pandemic continues. I don’t know why people give Trump credit for low gas prices.

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              • RangerRuss

                It’s certainly difficult finding evidence of shady shit on any of the compromised MSM outlets. It’s out there but actively suppressed.
                Cheap fuel? Yeah the pandemic has depressed it to new lows. But it was hovering around $ 2.20 pre-Chicom virus. That’s what energy independence will get you.

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              • High prices are good for the economy? I guess that’s one way to look at it.

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                • signaldawg

                  It’s an indicator. If prices are low, demand is low. Meaning less goods and services are being distributed. It also means less money is going to states to fund projects. Gas prices being low is not the problem, the reasons they are low is.

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          • As of now, your “widespread” is doing a shit ton of heavy lifting.

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            • Ooh, the butt hurt, she spreads!

              Can you point me to a single state where the proven amount of voter fraud would change the result? Hell, can you point me to a single state where the alleged amount of voter fraud would change the result?

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              • Grafton

                Rudy will be having another new conference about voter fraud in front of the Ritz cracker station at the Three Sisters Grocery 2500 Master St, Philadelphia, PA 19121.

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              • Ha! Seriously dude, I’m about a tenth as invested in politics as you and your Orange Man Bad ilk.

                No, given that there have been few if any investigations into fraud, there haven’t been millions of votes proven to be fraudulent. So, best not to look, eh?

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                • I’m about a tenth as invested in politics as you…

                  Is that by the gif? 😉

                  I’m not telling you not to look. I’m telling you to show me something real. Let me know when you find it.

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                • I find gifs more significant than frivilous accusations of butthurt against those who can even.

                  And I’m simply pointing out that fraud exists. There are hundreds of affidavits to that effect. Mathematical models suggest fraud. Maybe Biden won fair and square. But it’s a little early to dismiss concerns to the contrary as butthurt.

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                • https://twitter.com/CaptainAnnoying/status/1326586671761125376

                  You should read some of those affidavits. They’re real doozies.

                  Apologies for being frivolous, by the way. I’m sure you were there in 2016 backing the Democrats’ whining about questionable election results.

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                • The tweet looks to be restricted to followers only. But fair enough. Affidavits from Clintons and Kennedys only shall be deemed legitimate? Maybe a few of the hundreds will meet your standards.

                  And no, I wasn’t supporting the claims of fraud in 2016 because it was obvious bullshit. The notion that Russia hacked the election was not a serious claim. Obviously YMMV. But if Trump made a similar claim, I certainly wouldn’t support it. For now, I’ve seen accusations of fraud in cities like Philadelphia, which is famously corrupt. So I find that to be a tiny bit more credible than Russia, Russia, Russia.

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                • And as I said, when we see judges and Secretaries of State backing your world view, we’ll have something to discuss. For now, it’s little more than fever dreams.

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                • I don’t put much stock in appeals to authority. I’m more interested in truth than in the government’s official position. For the record, even if the fraud which occurred was enough to swing the election, I think it’s unlikely Trump will prevail. So you’re probably going to get your most fervent wish of Orange Man leaving office.

                  I just hope we can use the election as an excuse to move to something more secure, transparent, and quicker like blockchain voting.

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                • For the record, even if the fraud which occurred was enough to swing the election, I think it’s unlikely Trump will prevail.

                  LOL.

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                • Here’s an affidavit from an unofficial source not yet approved by Rachel Maddow.

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  10. PTC DAWG

    To all the Veterans, a sincere thank you from me.

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  11. PTC DAWG

    Re all these “covid” cancelled College Games….where are they putting all the players with symptoms?

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    • Grafton

      OAN says they are putting them up at your moms house.

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      • PTC DAWG

        Nice house then, she’s not on this Earth.

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        • Grafton

          Neither is mine so unlike Little man disk shit I won’t make fun of you for it.

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          • RangerRuss

            LOL. My mom has been staying with my younger brother due to age and infirmity. They put his son up in Mom’s house to quarantine and recover from Chicom virus. I still use the basement as a reloading station and machine shop. But the kid has been sleeping there as it’s quieter and more comfortable. I’m denied access to work and hobby. I reckon the “mouth breathing moron” gene must run in my family.

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  12. Erik Zimmerman

    If the election was rigged why aren’t all of the races in question since they were all on the same ballot?

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  13. Illini84

    Wait until Little Lord Fauntleroy’s mom wakes him up and he fires up his “meme” machine. Maybe he can bad mouth vets like he likes to.

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  14. I’d like to thank all Veterans for their service and their dedication to my nation.

    I’d also like to thank their families.

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  15. mddawg

    I served 6 years in the U.S. Navy. I’m not gonna pretend that I enjoyed every minute of it, but I made some life long friendships and I wouldn’t be where I’m at in my career if I hadn’t served. I’ll always be grateful that my dad encouraged me to join. Happy Veteran’s Day everyone!

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  16. Grafton

    I wish I had a cool patriotic story as to why I joined the Navy. In all honesty it was my last ditch effort to get the fuck out of the small town where I was bound and determined to end up a total failure like many of the people around me. Best decision I could have made at the time. I encourage any wayward youth that has no direction to join the service. Getting paid to learn a trade, build work ethic and get addition money for more college is a hell of a deal.

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  17. bucketheridge

    I believe that Al Gore would like a word with you, Senator.

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  18. Don in Mar-a-Lago

    Many people are not staying

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  19. Illini84

    And the band played Waltzing Matilda

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  20. Don in Mar-a-Lago

    We wasn’t close enough I didn’t feel like

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  21. armydawg

    armydawg here. Some may remember me as J-Dawg. After the senator changed things and we had to sign up and in I had to change the handle because I couldn’t sign up as J-Dawg. Now I’m armydawg and it’s a more appropriate name because I am a retired Sergeant First Class, US Army, and served two tours in Viet Nam. Fiercely proud of that. My 21 years in the Army allowed me to go places and experience things other people never will. I took my final re-enlistment oath aboard the USS Arizona memorial when I was stationed in Hawaii. That was emotional. I am a fierce DAWG fan and have been all my life and am proud to say that my oldest son has his degree from UGA, class of 04. Now, let’s beat those shit-kickers from Misery.
    GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • RangerRuss

      Thanks for lacing up the jungle boots, armydawg. I was very fortunate to be snatched up by the stacking swivel as a young enlisted man and officer by some combat hardened ‘Nam vet NCO’s. Thankfully I was taught early to listen my elders and those who had BTDT.

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      • Illini84

        Mustang huh? My old man was enlisted in WW2 on a 4 stack APD in the Pacific. He got out, went to college and took a commission after he graduated.

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        • Got Cowdog

          Rare breed, the Mustang. Never served, but coming up I liked the leaders whom I knew had been in the ditch before, rather than an office weenie trying to straw us field guys from the office. Now that I drive the desk, I try to remember that, it makes me a better leader.
          FWIW, I enjoy both of your posts. Thank you for your service and I’ll raise a glass to all of you later….

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          • RangerRuss

            Three years enlisted certainly helped me as an officer. But my upbringing really helped me as a soldier and Infantry Officer. Things that I took for granted were foreign to most of my buddies. Sleeping on the ground, movement through the woods at night, building a fire instantly using pine lighter knot, swinging a sledge hammer and axe, basic vehicle maintenance and tool use, digging a damn hole and most importantly how to shit in the woods without falling back into it. Keeping clean in a rugged environment and how to warm canned food without burning it or myself. Skinning and dressing an animal was absolutely traumatic for most. One thing they could all do was shoot. Firing expert was a requirement for Infantry officers I always assumed.
            Most of the junior officers never had a real job or worked with their hands. That’s the reason they looked like idiots upon reaching their first assignment and many throughout their career. I’ll never forget reccing a new training area with my Battalion Commander in a jeep and having to drive as he couldn’t handle a stick shift. Tennessee native, Ga tech grad. Whatdya expect, right?
            I was blessed with a rigid primary education, parents with natural intelligence, social graces from my aunts (that’s where the love starts, bless their little hearts) and grandmothers and a fine time at UGA. Most of the boys weren’t so fortunate.

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            • Salty Dawg

              Thank you for your service, Ranger Russ (and all other vets).

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            • Got Cowdog

              I was fortunate to spend my formative years with a bunch of tough, capable men, my Grandfathers and Grand-uncles (they would be to me). I remember one shooting carpenter bees out of the air at the corner of his chicken coop with a .22. I walked it with my cousin once and it was about 50 feet. I never saw him miss. He was infantry, wounded, taken prisoner in Germany, then was wounded again when the train they were being transported in was strafed by Allied planes. He passed away at 96 a few years ago. One (My Grandfather) was a “Bowhook” on an LST. His job, as he put it, was to stand to with an axe and if the ramp didn’t go down he was to bust the bow cable. He made Saipan, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Okinawa and one other that I don’t recall off the top of my head. There is a picture of his ship on his living room wall, with a gold star for each landing. There is also a blue star that marks the downing of an enemy plane he shot down as the gunner of a 20mm battery.
              One was a tailgunner on a B-29, another a navigator on a B-17. My maternal Grandfather was with the 42nd across France, Belgium, and into Germany.
              They’re all gone now, but what I learned from them will never leave me. That’s why I toast tonight all Veterans.
              Apologies for being maudlin but they don’t make them like that anymore and I’m thankful to have been able to spend as much time time with them as I did.

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              • Illini84

                My old man was a signalman on his 4 piper and was in one of the gun buckets on a LCPR (they only had a one-man wide ramp unlike the LCVP) on 28 landings in the Pacific. When he got a commission he went to Amhpib School at Coronado and I always wonder what they could have taught him about that topic.

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  22. Don in Mar-a-Lago

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    • mddawg

      I think Pompeo is a bully and a dipshit, but I also think his comments are being misconstrued a bit. In my opinion, he told a dumb joke about a second Trump administration, and then he went on to say that the State department would continue functioning through whatever transition happens, pointing out that he’s been part of a transition in the past as well. I think it’s fair to say that his joke was in incredibly poor taste, but I don’t think his comments are as big of a deal that it’s being made out to be. And I hate that I even have to say something that could be considered defending Pompeo.

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  23. No Covid testing sites open on Veteran’s Day here in Tennessee. I guess the virus is taking the day off as well.

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  24. Trump is clearing out anyone at the Pentagon who is not clearly a yes man. This is worrisome. Shit may get real come January. Oh, and Happy Veterans Day to my fellow servicemen and women. I am a USAF veteran and served 7 years. Best thing I ever did was enlist.

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  25. Don in Mar-a-Lago

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  26. bucketheridge

    I believe that they’re attempting to run out the clock so that states cannot certify results in time for their constitutionally required deadlines. If that’s the case, then apparently the state legislatures could appoint a slate of electors themselves, giving Trump the hope of winning an electoral college vote with electors appointed by republican lead state legislatures instead of apportioned to their state’s voting results.

    I believe that it may have been Ben Ginsburg, one of George W.’s leading attorneys in his election fight, who I heard explaining this on a podcast recently.

    Now there’s an Axios report on it here: https://www.axios.com/trump-electoral-college-biden-68d94e27-ace7-4da8-9e22-af7a62fe5149.html

    It’s staggering to see a president acting in his self interest and at the expense of the country’s to this degree, even by recent standards.

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  27. Don in Mar-a-Lago

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  28. Illini84

    Thanks for your service.

    POTUS has nothing else on sched today but is nonetheless late to Arlington National Cemetery to honor veterans on Veterans Day, keeping decorated veterans, their families, and others waiting in the rain, not understanding the significance of the day, hour, minute of commemoration

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  29. Illini84

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  30. Geezus

    I’m trying a bold, new strategy for the Fabris pool. I am making my picks on Tuesday (or Wed if I forget) and on Friday I go in and reverse all the picks. I can’t do any worse.

    Happy Veterans Day to those that served.

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  31. I am not a tin foil hat guy, Biden won…Trump should concede, but I gotta admit that some numbers just don’t look right. https://notthebee.com/article/watch-a-statistical-case-against-a-biden-win-in-less-than-6-minutes

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  32. Don in Mar-a-Lago

    I invented Obama was born in Kenya

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  33. Don in Mar-a-Lago

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  34. Derek

    At least some of us aren’t helping the russians on Veterans Day.

    Though some can’t help themselves.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russians-have-no-need-spread-misinformation-trump-his-allies-are-n1246653

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  35. Don in Mar-a-Lago

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  38. Well, Happy Vets day to my fellow vets – my old girl the tanker is still freaking flying. She wasnt sexy or comfortable, but if you need to fly 17 hrs straight and circle the globe, still the best. And doing a lightweight time to climb demo back in the day even dropped my jaw, and i was the one flying! I hear my property in Iraq has been repurposed, just as well, it was a hole, never made a cent on it.

    Lot more vets here than you would think, much love to all.

    chuck c/s chuckdawg aka tankertoad

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    • Got Cowdog

      Uncle Cowdog (Retired a Lt. Col., played for Vince) flew the KC-135 over Vietnam. One of my earliest memories was him taking my cousin and I to the base and letting us climb all over the plane. He was such a cool cat. His family didn’t see him the way I did (Think Bull Meecham) but I love the guy. When I was getting my private license he went up with me, showed me how to fly the pattern with just the trim.

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  39. Russ

    Thank you to all the veterans out there so that we can have elections to argue over.

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  40. mg4life0331

    Only thing I say as a vet is that I’m glad we are a volunteer service. I sure as shit didn’t want someone beside me that didn’t want to be there in Iraq.

    Most of the people complaining about draft dodgers didn’t serve either. Its fucking hilarious.

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  41. buddy bog

    Like Ross Perot did for Clinton ??
    Actually, Senator, your statement about Kanye was very racist. He’s shown himself for his deep beliefs against abortion .

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