If Oklahoma and Texas setting out for the SEC qualifies as This Week’s Worst Thing In The College Football World (just ask Jeff Schultz), why don’t the other conferences and Notre Dame put a crimp in their plans by walking away from Sankey’s pet 12-team CFP proposal?
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And Jeff Schultz is a tool.
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You can’t spend the money if you’re out of business.
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No, I mean they won’t walk away because they want that cold hard cash, too.
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Fine by me. Blow the whole stupid thing up. 5 years from now, Disney will have everyone chasing another shiny thing anyway. Can’t wait for the 32 team playoff and 14 game regular season starting in July.
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HA!!…all about improving the sport, but pretty sure some of this may be going in the wrong direction.
I guess we will see. Have already quit watching pro football and pro basketball. I hope that CF is not next.
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Don’t forget about the new and improved 20 member sec…(coming sooner than you think possible)
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The b10 did it’s best to kill CFB in 2020.
Never assume their greed exceeds their arrogance.
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Arrogance and greed are always a deadly combination, because they constantly feed on each other, growing each larger.
And that can go both ways, for the person or people with both and then for others around them (and not even necessarily in their way).
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Everyone is going to have to get pro active now. The fact that this didn’t get out for 6-12 months tells me no conference is safe. The big boys need to consolidate or get left out. Especially the ACC
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The very things that have always made CF so special (for me) are passing away for the sake of money. The love of money eventually screws up everything.
ESPN is the fox in the henhouse.
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Exactly rivalries, bowls, the chaos of all the dominoes falling correctly in the regular season to win a national title.
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ESPN is the bulldozer that ran over all of the hen houses (all of sports) in the 90s and have spent the last 30 years reconstructing them to produce the most eggs and marketing then as the highest protein content and lowest cholesterol. Unfortunately, only some of the eggs get better and others get a little worse tasting year after year but they keep telling us not to pay attention to the bad ones because the good ones will taste SO much better with each tweek and will only cost a little more.
The question is when you pay more for having to eat the not so good eggs along with the great eggs, at what point do you stop buying eggs all together?
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When UGA/Auburn or the WLOCP is destroyed.
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Got bad news for you after this year when we go to pods….
I’m kinda the same with you. The Auburn is one of my favorites, and being moved from November irked me; that’s a cool weather, leaf changing, fleece pullover and jeans game, not a September scorcher.
If we do drop that game annually, it’s going to be another nail in the coffin, and I may only be up for one or two more.
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I love everything about GTP except references to anything Schultz writes. He’s a grifter and a piss-poor one at that.
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If the report Friday night is true and the SEC is in “serious talks” with Clemson, FSU, Ohio State and Michigan (and it happens), then I think that we already know what is coming if they go to a 12 team playoff. Sankey is going to corner the playoff market getting 5 to 7 teams in the playoff every year and the SEC teams as a whole are just going to get richer and richer and that isn’t even talking about the conference’s regular season TV deal which would in and of itself be enormous.
Interesting or coincidence that OU and Texas are long-time rivals that play each team’s biggest regular season game each year against one another, Ohio State and Michigan are long-time rivals that play each team’s biggest regular season game each year against one another, and Clemson and FSU are long-time ACC rivals?
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I’ve been thinking the same thing. The poison pill is to announce the 4 team playoff will remain.
I can see the Big 10 making the super conference thing work, but the PAC, ACC, and Big 12 will be losers.
Makes me think there is something we don’t know or understand pushing teams to make this move.
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I’m now of the opinion that the super conferences should all have 20 members. You have to have losers in conference for the winning programs to beat regularly. So there is a place for Kansas, Texas Tech, SMU, and yes, Vanderbilt in CFB. 4 super conferences of 20 teams each with 2 divisions each. If you prefer 4 pods of 5 teams each in some conferences I wouldn’t argue. But 4 conferences totaling 80 teams. Then start a new governing body to take the place of the NCAA.
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Because the SEC going to 16 will be the catalyst that finally causes the dam to break and make the CFP (in its present iteration) irrelevant.
That is, the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma will result in the Big10, ACC and Pac10 immediately rushing to get to 16 as well, and then those 4 conferences will cleave-off and leave everyone else in the dust.
At that point, it is easy to have the top 4 from each conference in a 16-team playoff – voila!
The value of the other 60 or so D-1 teams for football and basketball became a shell of where they are, and 80%+ of college media money flows to the top 64, its where all the action is/will be.
Seriously, why have an incremental step and wait 5-10 more years to happen, it is what (almost) All The People (TM) say they want!
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If I’m Ole Miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina, and Arkansas, I’m on the phone with A&M and Missouri trying to build momentum to block OU and Texas. Why give up the money? Because it’s short-term gain, with long-term implications: this is the first step towards consolidation of the big brands. Once this goes through, the next step is cutting out the dead weight and putting the big boys together: Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, et al dumping their conference mates and going their own way. I think we’re in that group, so we’re likely content to be pulled along the current of history, but I guaran-dam-tee you Ole Miss ain’t. They can look at Oklahoma State right now and see their future. They best wake up.
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Meh, I think a CFB league with 64 teams captures 80-90% of the media market. If they go down to 32, by cutting out the Ole Misses’ of the world, the top-32 maybe only capture 50-60%, and that leaves a big chunk for the second tier group to capture and (down the road) potentially try and compete with you. On the other hand, if the top-64 have 80-90% of the media money, there is no way in the world the losers could ever compete or threaten the top-64 – they are simply trying to dig out of too big a whole. The second-tier teams in the top-64 are important to achieving critical mass and crowding out competitors – Oklahoma State’s future lies in the Pac-10.
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80 teams captures damn near 100%. 4 conferences of 20 teams each.
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That’s ridiculous. There aren’t 80 total teams good enough.
You do it this way, and you’re talking about 10 more teams getting an invite who aren’t worthy. 64 is the number. You’re not back-filling with schools and programs from Cincinnati or Houston or UCF, sorry.
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LOL, the money is a “short-term” gain?
Dude, step back outside your own biases for a moment and see how ridiculous a statement that is. The money is the long-term gain. $15-20M extra per year guaranteed for this upcoming contract.
You keep thinking this is about competing for a national title or whatever. That is incredibly naive. The Mississippi State and Kentucky and Vandy admins, and admins for many other schools in the current P5, know they can never win a national title. So that’s why they’re the most happy of all the teams to get the extra money.
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When they’re locked out of the coming Super League, yes?
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And I’m aware none of the suits give a shit about winning.
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Ole Miss, MSU, SCAR, and Arkansas can’t win the current 12 team SEC, so 14 with a bigger check is fine with them.
TAMU has a chance to win the current SEC, but the 14 team SEC makes it harder for them so they are against it.
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Umm, Doug… the SEC is currently at 14, not 12.
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I agree that I would be worried, but I think they’re safe because they happen to be the relative punching bags sitting at the right table. In other words, I don’t think the name brands are going to go to an only-super-powers league if only because somebody has to lose and it’s good to have “power 5” lesser brands to beat up on.
But I do think you’re correct that Mickey will know exactly which brands are buttering their bread and would do it in a second if they could make it work. But again, it all goes back to the reality of nobody wanting to be the “weakest blue blood” that goes from perennial 9-3 seasons to 4-8 seasons. With the newly expanded SEC, Mickey may have this perfect mix of premium brands and lesser brands for the premiums to beat up on. Do once premium brands become less premium if they get their doors blown off for 20 years in a new super league ? What happens to Auburn if they no longer have a head to push their boot on ?
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They need a 12 team playoff as much or more than the SEC so their members have some chance at access. A 16 team SEC would be a perennial 2 team fixture in a 4 team playoff. B1G, ACC, and PAC would need to have undefeated teams and even then cross their fingers.
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From the Big10, ACC and Pac10’s perspectives, sure, the SEC is getting the first march on expansion (and the 2/3rds of the big prizes (ND being the other), but the other 3 conferences will also be able to point the finger at the SEC for “blowing things up” when the G-5, service academies, SunBeast, Big12 has beens, etc. get sent down to I-AA….
In a 64-team First Division, the differences between the conferences will become less and less IMO, to the point in the future where it is possible they would auction off the media rights as a single entity ala the (official) pro leagues – what will matter most is being one of the lucky 64 that is in (which is why I would expect teams like Kansas and Oklahoma State were on the phone to the Pac-12 last week)….
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For example, Jay Bilas is now on the ESPN homepage saying the ACC should approach the SEC about a “merger” – that is what the 4X16 First Division is…
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PS – if Texas and Oklahoma bail for the SEC, West Virginia bails for the Big10 or ACC, and Baylor, Kansas and Oklahoma State bail for the Pac10, there is no Big12 conference to speak of, no media rights to own or sell, no exit fees, no delays, etc. Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, TCU (I’m sure I’m missing another) couldn’t do jack – enjoy I-AA guys!
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I didn’t even mention the Big 12 because I think they’re toast! I would however challenge the idea that four conferences totaling 64 teams could collectively maximize revenue and be on close to equal footing. No one is getting an incremental dollar of revenue for Kansas or Oklahoma State to come to their conference – the eyeballs just aren’t there.
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It’s not about “incremental revenue” for each conference or school at this point – it is about ensuring they are part of the “winners” group (i.e., First Division) and not in the “losers group” a/k/ I-AA. The 64 First Division teams will bid their rights out collectively (ala the NFL) and be able to command 80-90+% of the media dollars and cement and solidify their spot atop the (financial) hierarchy in perpetuity. Conferences will no longer be aligned with networks, and ABC/CBS/NBC/Fox/streaming bid on various packages of dates/times and every network will take turns picking games, getting primetime slots, etc. (again, ala NFL). And then add the playoffs on top of it???
The value of the football rights for the First Division will easily exceed the value of the P5+CFP rights today, and the value of their basketball tournament will easily exceed the value of the NCAA tournament today.
As much as people say they like Cinderallas, “small market teams”, scrapers, etc., the eyeballs (and marketing dollars) gravitate to top tier providers that have critical mass and scale – that is just the way of the world in 2021…..
Would also add that shifting to 4-16 team leagues would likely allow all the leagues to break their tv contracts, ask for more money, etc. to move to this collective marketing machine…
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Dude, it’s about putting games on television. Period. I swear, sometimes we can be too provincial. It’s all about “game inventory.” The more teams a conference has, the more game inventory they have. Also, you act like Okie State is some chump team like Georgia State. They’re not.
What you say just isn’t true. If Okie State is on TV at 4pm or whatever, people will watch them, and the conference they belong to will get plenty of money for providing FOX or ESPN with more game inventory,
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Dude – Inventory and footprint was 10 years ago. Paradigm has shifted – see Fox/ESPN declining to renegotiate the Big 12 deal which kicked this whole thing off.
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LOL… they declined to renegotiate because they don’t have to do so, because the Big-12 bent over backwards to sign the contract.
Are you forgetting that CBS also declined to renegotiate the SEC’s contract because they didn’t have to do so? 🙄
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Ha – this big 12 deal only has a 4 years left and CBS was barely into a 15 year deal at the time! They got out like bandits. ESPN re-did the SEC deal almost immediately. My whole point is Fox/ESPN are not gonna pony up over these conference leftovers – there’s no leverage, justification, or business model to squeeze out significantly more economics.
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Here’s a prospective 2022 SEC Power Poll based on trends to include past performance in on-field results and recruiting:
Bama
Georgia
TAMU
LSU
OU
Floriduh
Auburn
Texas
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Mizzou
Arkansas
Mississippi State
Sakerlina
Tennessee
Vandy
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Oklahoma is too low.
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TAMU and LSU get the benefit of the doubt for playing in the league and for being WAY better in recruiting than OU.
Right now OU dominates a middling conference and still manages to lose one game per year.
I see them as a perpetual 10-2 team in the SEC, at least to start.
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LSU was 5-5 last season. And lost to Mississippi State.
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And 15-0 the season before, and again, is recruiting on a different level than OU is now.
We here know better than anyone how much recruiting matters. How Top-5 recruiting classes lead to an entirely different class of team than classes ranked 8, 9, or 10. LSU’s win vs. Floriduh last year had a lot of fathers, but recruiting better players kept them in a game they probably should’ve lost as badly as we did.
OU has a lot of catch-up to do in recruiting, and also, going 12-1 in the Big-12 just does not compare to what they’ll find that first season in the SEC. Depending on pods or divisions, I can see them losing at minimum three games that first season.
Then again, I could also be wrong and they could go 12-0 in the regular season and make their way to Atlanta. Either way, it’ll be an interesting year.
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I don’t know where this thing about recruiting comes from. For the 2021 class, OU’s average in the Composite (93.19) was higher than both LSU’s (92.16) and TAMU’s (91.70). They’ve also made a pretty good living on transfers, especially at QB.
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You are right about transfers. I didn’t consider that. Transfers could put them above LSU. Then again, LSU also plucked the greatest transfer of all time.
Ultimately, we’ll see how it goes. I think OU is a tougher go of it, but I leave open the eventually that I’m incorrect in that thought.
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