Who are they scheduling for, anyway?

In his Mailbag yesterday, Seth Emerson makes a Cocktail Party-related point ($$) about Georgia’s future home scheduling.

But when it comes to the home schedule, as weak as it has been for Georgia in many years, that should change post-expansion because the SEC is getting rid of divisions. No more guaranteed home games every other year with Vanderbilt, Missouri, Kentucky (sorry, Mark Stoops) at the expense of rarely seeing Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, etc. The home SEC schedule is going to be much more palatable to the fan, which ultimately may take away some of the argument for moving the Florida game.

Is “may” in that last sentence doing some heavy lifting?  Judging from the comments section here, I would say those in support of moving the Georgia-Florida game to a home-and-home series fall into one of two camps, those who want to strengthen the home schedule and those who want to give Smart their full endorsement in how he chooses to run the football program.

For the former group, then, yes, this would seem to be a valid point in favor of maintaining the Cocktail Party status quo.  But for the recruiting über alles gang, led by Kirby Smart, I’m afraid it’s a moot point.

Which brings me to the thrust of this post.  Ultimately, we Georgia fans, especially those of us shelling out money for season tickets, are consumers of an entertainment product.  As Seth notes a little later in his post, “There isn’t any groundswell of discontent about the site of the game that Smart is tapping into.”  How much should the movers and shakers in B-M take into account the wishes of the people funding the program versus the stated wishes of the head coach?

I’m not asking that in the context of worrying about folks closing the wallets.  I’m asking that in the sense of how much respect should the school show the fan base.

I’m mentioned before that being asked to be a prop in Smart’s recruiting show at G-Day doesn’t sit entirely well with me.  Being a Georgia fan isn’t a job.  It’s not even a responsibility.  It’s a choice, albeit an emotional one.  If the UGA-UF game goes home and home in the name of recruiting, I’ll live with it, but it won’t make me happy if I’m not only expected to get over losing a valued tradition, but expected to participate in making showing up for the Florida game as a recruiting obligation on top of that.

I recognize this may be something for some of you where your mileage may vary from mine, and that’s cool with me.  Curious what y’all think of this.

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47 responses to “Who are they scheduling for, anyway?

  1. Anon

    Kirby ain’t resigning over it staying in Jax. So I’m good with it staying. Suck it up coach. Rub some dirt on it and get back in the game

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  2. Someone needs to tell Kirby the recruiting allure of the neutral site game and that we can probably forget ever signing another blue-chip prospect from the Jacksonville area after we leave. Of course, he appears to be too proud to admit when he’s wrong, so it won’t matter.

    On the recruiting prop thing, I’ll likely go back to the Florida game after the first time. There’s no way my tickets will be used for that first game. The Athens businesses won’t get my money, and Kirby will have an empty seatback in my location. For those of you who want to send Kirby a message about this, find other things to do that day.

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    • W Cobb Dawg

      Agree. Jax is a recruiting asset, not a liability. If Kirby isn’t getting the desired mileage out of Jax on the recruiting trail, he isn’t marketing it effectively.

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  3. Ran A

    The good news is that better games are coming and it will be exciting to travel to other stadiums. As much as I enjoy spending a day or two in Nashville while sitting with about 40,000 other Dawgs; would love to experience Kyle Field, go back to the Grove, etc.

    As far as Jax is concerned. I fall in the support the coach camp; but also get the other side of this. But will say; either go ‘home and home’ (for the purposes of recruiting, per the coach) or keep it in Jax. Playing that game in Atlanta just feels wrong to me.

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  4. Faltering Memory

    Those of us buying season tickets (with contribution to Hartman Fund) had better face the music, we are being shoved to the back of the bus or maybe lucky to riding the running boards. Hartman money is lucky if we are of third place importance.

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    • Gaskilldawg

      Used to be that it meant something to be a Hartman Fund member. Now it feels as if the UGA AA is waiting for older Hartman Fund members to die so free up our tickets to sell to Magill members.

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      • 79dawg

        Hasn’t everyone who wants/needs the reach-around for being in the Magill Society already signed up?
        The problem as I see it is that once the current olds start dying off, they are going to have a hard time replacing. As I have said here before, I work in a professional services firm with young professionals who are Georgia grads and have disposable income; 20/30/40 years ago a dozen of them would’ve been season ticket holders, now none of them are really even interested in going….

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      • whb209

        Mr. Gaskilldawg,
        I have said that exact same thing for several years now. The Magill people were invited to UGA’S last scrimmage, we have never been invited to anything that I can remember. As I have stated before, I have 66000 points in the Hartman fund and could not get tickets to the ND game. I was told I did not have enough points. I got tickets from Stub Hub and had a great time.
        This year was probably my last year as a Hartman donor. I should have stayed in touch with the people at GA that I played with or knew because of being a UGA AA asso. helping with requiting in the early 1990’s, but I did not and I regret that.

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    • akascuba

      I certainly get that feeling.

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  5. My mileage is substantial, and the last time I went to Jacksonville was in the very early 2000’s. But I like the tradition, I like the added monies made from it being there for UGA. This topic has been picked apart well by far more passionate defenders of the cocktail party than me…all I can add is that for 6-7 trips I made with friends and family down there (even though we lost the majority of those trips) they were fun memorable times and I would want younger Dawgs to have the same experiences…maybe not dusting a loud mouth jort wearing ahole…but the overall cocktail party vibe is good for Dawgnation.

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  6. Call me crazy… but I’m beginning believe that CKS just stirred all this up so folks would spend more time focusing on it and quit asking him about the danger of complacency.

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  7. Recruiting is über alles if you want to win championships. Period.

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    • I know it’s hard for some to believe, but they’ve done that with the game in Jacksonville, dramatic punctuation notwithstanding.

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      • You don’t know anything about recruiting. You don’t post about it, and you have always bragged on here about how you don’t follow and worry about the decisions of a bunch of 18 year-olds. So it may be hard for YOU to believe, but most will trust Kirby over you when it comes to what recruiting wins the program has been getting with the in game in Jacksonville and what they been missing on. He says we can do better. I believe him. The question for me is whether it is worth losing the game in JAX. I don’t think so. Kirby does.

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        • I don’t follow recruiting, but I do follow signing classes. And Georgia’s have been elite. For that matter, I’ve yet to hear Smart say he’s disappointed with any of his signing classes. (Not only that, the NFL doesn’t sound unimpressed, either.)

          Oh, and you know what else I follow? National championships.

          I’m not asking anyone to trust my knowledge over Smart’s. But that’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about sheer speculation about what might be better. You’re certainly welcome to disagree with me on that, but don’t try to tell me Jax has cost UGA recruits unless you’ve got receipts.

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          • “I’m not asking anyone to trust my knowledge over Smart’s.” Yes you are, and you are petitioning against him with your “we who open our wallets” comments above. I get it. That is a fan’s right. But you don’t know whether JAX has cost UGA recruits any more than I do. Kirby does though.

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    • Tell us where recruiting has been negatively impacted by the game in Jacksonville. I’ll hang up and listen.

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      • I’m not a recruiting expert. Kirby is. Go to next week’s press conference and ask him. We can all hang up and listen.

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        • If he thinks that’s the only thing holding us back from winning a championship every year, that will be the measure I will hold him to if he gets his way on this.

          I believe recruiting matters a hell of a lot. I don’t think the impact of being able to pay for athletes to attend the game is worth the cost of losing the impact of the Cocktail Party.

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          • You, the Senator, and others who agree maybe…I say maybe…missing the point DMK is trying to make. Sure Kirby has the results, but by overcoming a handicap that St. Nick and others don’t have. This may not be about better results, just easier results easier to obtain. That’s logical and very consistent with his other remarks about the toll recruiting is taking on coaches. His Jax argument is not singular, but part of an entire commentary he’s been making for a while. Sure, we’ve mocked the pay he makes to do his job and need for control, but transfer windows, recruiting dates, signing dates, Jax, etc. all add up in his calculations. My guess…and seems no one in the media wants to pose this question directly…is he’d like to see top to bottom reform in recruiting, but he’s a realist and needs to keep every advantage he can get. If Jax is making his job harder, I expect him to raise the issue.

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            • Kirby earns every dollar he makes and all good coaches are control freaks, so I don’t get your point about mockery. But I digress.

              If this is such a big deal for him and the reality is that the fan base isn’t exactly in his corner on it, don’t we deserve a little more respect than being told to trust him unquestioningly? Is it that unreasonable to ask him to show us specifically how recruiting has been damaged by Jacksonville?

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              • Your first point…if GTP does not exist for us to mock and snark, truly what purpose do you serve?

                Second…I don’t believe Kirby has asked anyone to trust him unfailingly, so that’s just a point being made by some fans.

                Third…no, I wish the press asked better questions and could get Kirby, Brooks, Morehead and others to sit down and discuss all of these train wreck issues.

                I don’t believe…and clearly YM does vary…that Kirby is tone deaf about moving Jax, but I do believe this issue is part of a bigger argument with greater context. I reserve the right to be proven wrong.

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            • Making his job easier means screwing many of the the people (including those who give big money) who make his job possible. Anytime a company has tried to piss down its customers’ backs and tell them it’s raining has usually paid the price.

              He has gotten everything he has asked for since arriving in 2016.

              If I was looking out for my own self-interest, I would say, “Hell, yes, I want the Florida game on campus” because I’m a season ticket holder who doesn’t go to Jacksonville. I think this is a bad idea for the program.

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        • PTC DAWG

          Kirby to Dude..go jump off that building…Dude heads up the stairs.

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  8. I must have missed something because I hadn’t heard they were for sure doing away with divisions.

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  9. Dead Presidents are the best recruiters now…..

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  10. lincolndawg

    In the poll, I voted to keep the game in Jax but only because” IDGAS” wasn’t an option. I’m in the “just win, baby” camp.

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  11. stoopnagle

    The leaders in CFB are the stewards of the game and they are falling on their faces to shit all over it.

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  12. Frankly, I’m tired of reading about it – here and there. They need to make fucking decision and move on.

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  13. kjackson1961

    I have lived in Jax (actually Ponte Vedra Bch) since I moved here from Athens in 1985 (my first mistake in life). I’m curious. For those of you who want to keep the game here…why? Is it tradition or visiting Jax or surrounding areas for the weekend?

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    • It’s all of that.

      More than anything, it’s the unique feel on game day when the crowd is 50/50 along with the pleasure of watching Gator fans flee the premises when their team gets its ass kicked. There’s no other regular season game like it.

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      • Anon

        I wonder how ex-Players feel about it? No way of knowing but I bet a GA/FL game is in each of their top 5 memories of their career at UGA. That what be interesting to know.

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      • Down Island Way

        The city of jax will do their part to keep WLOCP in place, that’s probably all we need to know, my dark, selfish side has a deep wantonness to venture to hogtown, hang 50ish (or more) on the FU scoreboard, leave town and never go back, UGA football can beat FU by a 100 points in Jax, it’ll never, ever close that wound from the old ball sack and ’95, WLOCP can stay in Jax for ever, I just want a home and home, one time…GO DAWGS!

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  14. 69Dawg

    Come on guys the Gator game in Jax is now on the Mouse’s to do list. Heck they have had Gameday there for years when CBS has always had the game. Do you really think UGA is going to move it without the Commissioner’s OK, if the Mouse wants it as one of it’s jewels at 3:00 or Prime Time. Wake up, money talks all else walks.

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  15. uga97

    The WLOCP in Athens will be an electric scene, with years of baked in valuable & premium game. Rather than Texas, Oklahoma, Texas a&M. It will take years & years to overcome this. Seths logic is like rotating the Duke UNC bball game to accommodate a b12 team. Besides none of those teams are expected to reign much bigger & better than Florida. ABC/ESPN will draw a higher rating & sustain a consistent # of viewers on a nationwide scale than Texas schools & Oklahoma game with us will draw. Gladly drop Vandy UK & mizzou for Florida in Athens & Gainesville home & home.

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