I got ‘yer bubble right here.

North Carolina, saying the quiet part out loud:

While the campus spikes are disconcerting, North Carolina has possibly paved a path to the most logical plan for universities seeking to compete in fall 2020: play and train on a campus without students.

Once thought of as impossible months ago—even some conference commissioners denouncing it—UNC football players are continuing on-campus preparations for the 2020 season while students are attending digital classes, many of them back home. During a news conference on Tuesday, coach Mack Brown even acknowledged the advantage of a campus without in-person classes. Most UNC football players were already enrolled in online-only classes, but now with students not bustling about, the bubble enveloping the Tar Heels has a better shot of remaining intact. “It helps us create a better seal and a better bubble around our program,” Brown said. “The NBA (bubble) model is working. They’ve had very few distractions.”

College leaders have taken notice of the happenings in Chapel Hill. The Tar Heels have, maybe accidentally, acquired what many around college athletics believe is the only sure way to have a season. They’ve got themselves a real, live college bubble—the envy of the rest of the nation.

“What they’ve done is created a bubble,” says one athletic director whose team is still planning to play this fall. “If there is a positive, some of their coaches are probably like, ‘Thank you!’”

Let’s be honest here.  If the goal is, first and foremost, to protect college athletes, based on what we know presently, isolating them away from the general student body is the most prudent course of action.

Problem is, that’s not the most prudent course of action if the goal is, first and foremost, to protect college athletics’ business model.

Proponents of the plan view it as a harmless measure to potentially save an industry from financial ruin. Detractors see it as another example of big-money college executives treating athletes differently than they do regular students, more proof that football players should get a cut of the NCAA’s monetary pie. In the meantime, this is all unfolding during a pivotal time. NCAA leaders are clinging to the last vestiges of their amateur model in a fight on Capitol Hill over athlete compensation, encouraging Congress to pass a federal NIL bill that includes a host of player restrictions.

Ellen Zavian, a former NFL agent who is now a law professor at George Washington, believes the NCAA’s decades-old argument in legal fights—we treat student-athletes the same as students—will fall apart with schools sponsoring on-campus athletics with no in-person classes. “You ever hear the saying, ‘Your actions are so deafening that I can’t hear what you’re saying?’” says Zavian. “This will be used to say that schools are treating athletes like essential employees and they should be getting hazard pay.”

For this reason and others, college athletics officials and medical experts have spent most of the summer detailing the impracticality of a college bubble. It’s virtually implausible, they say. “You can’t bubble college athletes or cocoon them away like the (pros),” says Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease physician who sits on the NCAA COVID-19 advisory panel. It’s an easier endeavor to sequester paid athletes for months as opposed to unpaid amateurs, who exist in college campuses in the middle of college towns, both teaming with temptations…

Plus, optics.

But above all, a bubble is implausible in college for one reason. “When the students all come back to campus, there is no bubble, because they’ve got to go to class,” a team doctor told SI this summer. “If we’re going to move forward and say they are student-athletes, then they’ve got to go to class.”

But what if there are no in-person classes?

I’d like to see Mark Emmert try that move in his next testimony before Congress.

46 Comments

Filed under Academics? Academics., It's All Just Made Up And Flagellant, The NCAA

46 responses to “I got ‘yer bubble right here.

  1. Hogbody Spradlin

    So we’ve got the football players on campus but taking online classes, and we have the rest of the student body off campus and taking online classes. It sounds like the only thing happening on campus is football practice and lodging for football players. And, of course the required campus bureaucrats.
    So the entire 150-200 building campus in Chapel Hill will be used by, for, and of football? Is that a stretch?

    Like

    • miltondawg

      My understanding was that the majority graduate and professional classes at UNC would continue in person, student athletes could continue to live on campus in student housing, international students could continue to live on campus in student housing, and students that demonstrated that leaving campus would make virtual learning overly difficult (e.g. poor internet) could remain in student housing.

      Like

  2. Got Cowdog

    I’m softening my stance on this a little, as far as players in a bubble/ not regular students/ player compensation for a couple of reasons. I was with a couple of others here in not participating this season if the kids weren’t back and the players were forced to play anyway. Notice I said “forced”. Here’s the thing for me. Athletes are not regular students. They are compensated to an extent, we all understand that I hope. Senator, your biggest beef with this is that SA’s don’t share the same rights as every other student on campus (#NIL to save a bunch of shitty typing), right? That’s what mine is.
    Players have value to their organization. The organization has every right to offer them protection them aka “Bubble” from a general student population that has little interest in following safety guidelines. I have no problem with offering the players a bubble to allow them to play because by and large? The players want to play.
    What I would love to see is the NCAA back off and allow fair negotiating of NIL rights for the players. I’d also like a pony. But if anything good can come out of having a season it would be eyes being opened and leaving no doubt that the current amateur model is dated and unfair, and that the NCAA cartel activity needs to be curtailed if not disbanded altogether.

    Liked by 1 person

  3. akascuba

    Im a little confused with the going to class part. I remember Justin Fields when asked last season about meeting other students and any difference in class versus UGA. His response was "all my classes are on line" Ive not visited the campus since recruiting. Does anyone really believe he is the only student who takes his course load that way.

    Like

    • I believe Joe Burrow said the same thing. I thought he told Dan Patrick he didn’t take any classes on campus at LSU.

      Like

      • gastr1

        But you guys are talking about players’ choice…and it’s hard to imagine none of the players had any contact with campus and/or traditional students.

        The issue originally was the optics of separating the players from the entire campus by the institution rather than by players’ choice. Well, when you 1) require all to be in-person (and not just players), then you 2) have an outbreak among the student population, you do now have the 3) rationale to do create a bubble — out of necessity, instead of special enforcement for athletes to be there where others didn’t also have to.

        Like

  4. mddawg

    Essential employees don’t automatically get hazard pay. The only reason that part jumped out at me is because I’ve had to explain that several times over the past few months.

    Like

  5. paulwesterdawg

    Like I said earlier. It’s a reverse bubble. They get the outcome they want/need without sequestering the kids. Instead they just create a ghost town.

    When you have $150m on the line, you innovate or die.

    Liked by 1 person

  6. Current situation with so many students packed into dorms in untenable. College football or not. Product of privatizing the dorms years ago. Now UGA and others owe hundreds of millions to these companies–who have told UGA to keep the dorms full or else.

    Like

  7. “treating athletes differently than they do regular students” I can’t speak for other schools but I have followed UGA for over 40 years. Except for having to take classes they have always been treated differently than regular students.

    Liked by 2 people

  8. practicaldawg

    Well our local school districts seem to be full speed ahead on football while at the same time saying they can’t figure out how to get 20 kids in a classroom. Seems like the same thing except for a whole lot less money.

    Like

  9. Bunch of hypocrites … if you’ve decided it’s too dangerous to have students on campus, it’s too dangerous to play football.

    Liked by 2 people

    • If this holds, I hope UNC goes 0-10 and Clemson drops 60 on them.

      Like

    • TN Dawg

      I don’t necessarily wish anything bad on the football team or it’s performance.

      It’s highly likely the players aren’t the ones afraid, it’s the administration.

      What is worse is that it doesn’t even accomplish much. Eliminating classes only eliminates one possible point of contagion.

      The players are still gonna go eat somewhere, go to parties, date girls, drink beer at bars, shop at Walmart, you know, live life.

      They are still gonna catch it if they are gonna catch it. Just like some will use drugs. Some will get caught drinking underage. Some will get in fights. Males between the ages of 18-22 are not exactly the demographic for being blindly adherent to safety precautions.

      Like

      • I don’t wish anything bad to happen to the players like health problems or a virus outbreak. I just want Mack Brown to be 0-10 assuming he’s going along with this.

        Like

        • TN Dawg

          I didn’t think that’s what you were implying in any way, so I apologize if I sounded like I was virtue signaling.

          I’m just saying I think the young men aren’t really part of the decision making process, so if they have great seasons, more power to them.

          You are right though, a winless season would be somewhat satisfying and deserved by the AD, the BoR and the Head Coach, especially if you are one of the 29,000 students that are denied your college experience for sake of football.

          Like

        • Don in Mar-a-Lago

          I’ve always wanted Mack Brown to be 0-10

          Liked by 2 people

    • Got Cowdog

      If I understand correctly, ti’s not too dangerous to have students on campus, it’s too dangerous to have them in classrooms. I know it sounds semantic, but….
      If the other students can house on campus and take online classes, you could argue that football players can do the same.
      Now, getting what you pay for from the normal student educational quality/ experience? That’s a whole different animal.

      Like

      • I don’t imagine this was what those students or parents were paying for. In the real world, this is called bait and switch. It’s too dangerous to have people in classrooms, but not dangerous enough to have people running into each other, sharing locker rooms, etc.

        If you want to have a bubble, have a bubble. Don’t restrict the movement of the other 29,000 students, so you can have a football season that the 29,000 students aren’t going to be part of.

        Liked by 2 people

        • Got Cowdog

          I get the bait and switch ee, for sure. But I didn’t get that they are restricting the movements of other students other than not allowing them face to face instruction. Which is the same as what they are doing for the players. This way in the eyes of the NCAA, SEC, UGAAA, Congress, and the BOR the players really are just like any other student. Ostensibly?
          As far as the student body being part of the season? They can watch it on TV just like everybody else. /s

          Like

          • Wait until they tell all of the students living on campus they have to leave while at the same time they keep playing football.

            Liked by 1 person

            • Got Cowdog

              I don’t think they’ll do it. By that I mean I don’t think they’ll send the kids living on campus home again. If kids start getting really sick in large numbers maybe, but they’ll shut down football as well at that point. If things haven’t changed considerably for the worse by the season start date they’ll stall until Thanksgiving, and then all the students go home until January, right?

              Like

              • I thought all of the reason for moving classes to online was to protect faculty and staff from the paying customers. Let’s see what happens after the drop/add periods have ended. If you see a bunch of schools move to online, you’ll know the fix was in because the tuition checks have cleared and there’s no refund at that point.

                I hope I’m wrong. I really do.

                Like

    • ASEF

      Disagree.

      30,000 undergrads and grad students crammed into 1960s dorms and classrooms is not the same thing as 105 members of a football team. The risk isn’t being on campus. The risk is in density, behaviors, and resources. And players can opt out. Mack has encouraged them too if they have any doubts at all.

      If Georgia sends students home (and they will, it’s just a matter of time), football will go on, with Kirby’s full support. They’re logistically (and morally) separate issues.

      Liked by 2 people

      • The games may go on, but they’ll be going on without me.

        Liked by 1 person

        • ASEF

          I totally understand that position.

          Just noting that safety of a very large student population relative to classrooms and dorms, with minimal resources and controls, is not the same issue as the safety of a much smaller player population with much greater resources and controls.

          Like

  10. stoopnagle

    Football players were already taken most of their courses remotely – even courses with in-person components offer a completely remote option (for the most part). Trust me, faculty are just as disinterested in being in an enclosed area with 15-20 students as many students. All you have to do is ask at this point – despite what the admin wants Atlanta to think.

    The issue with a bubble is where students live. They don’t “go home.” They just go back to their apartments for which they have year-long iron-clad leases. And that includes some players. They’re still in Athens (or Chapel Hill or wherever) and they’re still having parties and gathering and walking around with the masks under their chin, etc etc. Unless Kirby is putting them all in McWhorter and shutting out non-player students and controlling their in-and-out, it ain’t a bubble.

    Like

    • “Trust me, faculty are just as disinterested in being in an enclosed area with 15-20 students as many students.”

      If this was the case, why the push in April to make it clear that in-person instruction was going to happen and then give faculty the option to move their classes to online during the summer? I know one really good reason.

      Like

      • Got Cowdog

        Are you insinuating that UGA knew all along once the tuition checks were cashed they would CYA by going fully online?

        Like

      • biggity ben

        Just guessing here, but I think Stoop was using Faculty – those who make the decisions and Faculty – those who bear the consequences of those decisions (ie: in room classes) separately. But that’s just a guess.

        Like

  11. W Cobb Dawg

    People rail against the professional leagues for using public money on expensive stadiums. So let’s take that to a new level of absurdity by giving the football team an entire campus.

    The steal the Braves got from Cobb County for a stadium AND the Battery development seems pretty reasonable now…

    Liked by 1 person

  12. dawgphan34

    Seems like schools knew they needed in person to get the checks in the mail.

    They will likely be all be online and sending kids home pretty soon, sorry mom and dad.

    And then they can bubble up their athletes for the tv contracts.

    win-win

    Like

  13. Pingback: Sounded good at the time | Get The Picture