Jimbo Fisher attested the Bulldogs’ strong play from its coaching at the top from Kirby Smart.
“He learned from good people,” Fisher said of Smart, “and they will pressure you with backers, inside blitzes, double-edge, corners, and will backers, safeties on that side, front side, inside, twist blitzes. They’ll bring it from all angles and they’re very exotic on third down, too.”
How does a coach who embraces a kitchen sink approach on the defensive side of the ball — with great success, mind you — take such an opposite tack when it comes to his offense?
Get The Picture 
Bring the fire on defense and don’t make a mistake on offense. I’m good.
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Stop making sense!
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Doesn’t leave a lot of margin when a mistake does happen on offense though. I mean, let’s put this a different way, how many of us were jealous of 2012 Florida’s approach?
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That worked before modern offenses took over the game. It’s a badly outdated strategy.
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Because he’s a coach in the mold of Leach and Paul Johnson, that’s why. The other half of the field is there to not get in the way of the one he cares about.
Better keep winning, because this bullshit is hard to be a fan of even when it’s your own school.
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Not for everyone it isn’t.
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That said, our “havoc rate” doesn’t seem that much better.
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Pogue Colonel : What is that you’ve got written on your helmet?
Private Joker : “Born to Kill”, sir.
Pogue Colonel : You write “Born to Kill” on your helmet and you wear a peace button. What’s that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke?
Private Joker : No, sir.
Pogue Colonel : You’d better get your head and your ass wired together, or I will take a giant shit on you.
Private Joker : Yes, sir.
Pogue Colonel : Now answer my question or you’ll be standing tall before the man.
Private Joker : I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man, sir.
Pogue Colonel : The what?
Private Joker : The duality of man. The Jungian thing, sir.
Pogue Colonel : Whose side are you on, son?
Private Joker : Our side, sir.
Pogue Colonel : Don’t you love your country?
Private Joker : Yes, sir.
Pogue Colonel : Then how about getting with the program? Why don’t you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?
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Never understood the choice of actor there. Does Kubrick put an older, establishment type there to send a larger message about what that war was about and who it served?
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Lifers. Most of the time they were no where near any shit but held great sway after the fact. The whole message about the war, imho, is the last scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmILOL55xP0
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Nah….He just needed an older actor because the character was a full-bird Marine Colonel…..In real military life during the 60s, a full Colonel was probably in his 50s with close to 30 years in. And rank was longer to come by in the Marines because it was the smallest branch of service.
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The actor was 57 when the movie was released so I was thinking too old and maybe that’s wrong. But even his manner of speech, not the words, but the delivery isn’t consistent with my impression of a Marine. I guess I think Mel Gibson in We were Soldiers.
The actor was Canadian so maybe thats what I’m picking up on. Mel does a better American.
I don’t know. I love the script, but that actor always seemed out of place to me.
I also always thought the movie wasn’t nearly as good after Pyle’s murder/suicide.
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That’s because Mel IS an American (born in Peekskill NY). Just took a little detour through Australia
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The film was an adaptation of the book “Short Timers” by Gustav Hasford.
“The book is divided into three sections, written in completely different styles of prose, and follows James T. “Joker” Davis through his enlistment in the United States Marine Corps and deployment to Vietnam.
Joker and his fellow Marines refer to military personnel in various ways. A “short” service-member, or “short-timer”, is one who is approaching the end of his tour of duty in Vietnam, described in the novel as 385 days for Marines and 365 days for members of other armed services. “Lifers” are distinguished not necessarily by their length of time served, but rather by their attitude toward the lower ranks. (Joker describes the distinction as follows: “A lifer is anybody who abuses authority he does not deserve to have. There are plenty of civilian lifers.”) Finally, the term “poges” (an alternative spelling for the slang term “pogues”) is short for “Persons Other than Grunts”—Marines who fill non-combat roles such as cooks, clerks, and mechanics. Poges are a favorite target of the front-line troops’ derision, and vice versa.
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So not the same as pogue mahone?
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If you look at his insignia you’ll see he is a full bird Colonel, one rank below a General and usually a regimental CO in the Corps.
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Supposedly Emery was originally the consultant (as an ex-service member) and Kubrick decided to give him the part instead of just consulting. At least that’s what I’ve read about it.
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“You want me on that wall…you need me on that wall”….and all the info put forth here at “GTP”…
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Some have suggested (on GTP), perhaps sarcastically, that Kirby is sandbagging the offense. It’s easy to believe he is until you consider the loss to SC and the hair raising close calls in a couple of other instances (see “fourth quarter against Auburn”).
At this point, I very deeply want to believe that he is.
My mind says “no way” but my heart says, “who knows? Kirby’s a different kind of creature”.
If Georgia’s offense suddenly becomes explosive (against GT doesn’t count), CKS will be unwelcome at the poker table.
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So were we sandbagging Alabama? Twice? Asking for a friend.
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Answering for your friend.
Read the whole post.
I’m saying that the sandbagging argument is naive.
And to answer your question about the two ‘Bama losses;
No..not until we got a lead.
That’s milking the clock.
Sandbagging is hiding your offense’s abilities for a future use.
This is more of a whole season thing. Of course Kirby’s not sandbagging unless he’s insane.
Dawgs played awesome offense against ‘Bama for a half.
So I don’t think he’s sandbagging the O…and I still think it can come alive at any time and score a lot of points on someone (again..not counting GT).
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Simple defensive coach thinking. Run out the clock and never trust any quarterback to risk the ball. He learned from the master.
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I think this is the simplest and most logical answer. He’s a defensive coach trying to protect his defense from getting gassed by an uptempo offense. Ironically, the conservative play calling doesn’t always extend drives and forces the D back out onto the field.
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I give up Senator. How?
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Beats me.
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Because Defense wins championships.
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But isn’t losing 67-63 to UCLA fun?!?!
That’s some good coachin’ right thar!
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Ah yes, again the only options are
A. Run a Mike Leach air raid passing attack or
B. Run-run-pass-punt over and over again, but if you don’t turn it over on any of those obvious passing downs, hope for perfect red zone execution, and rely on the defense.
No third option, especially not one many of the top schools we’re compete for recruits are doing…
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It’s this attitude that led bammer to run Gene Stallings. How’d that go for about 10 years?
Play good football first. Georgia will attract enough talent on offense. Always has. Where we’ve struggled in roster management isn’t at the skilled positions, it’s the big boys.
What has Saban’s new fangled approach gotten him?
Second place nationally in 2018.
Second place in the west in 2019.
But stats! So many stats!!
Y’all act like LSU has won something. They haven’t. And they gotta go through us.
It’s been Leach and Chip and Rich Rod and Lincoln and Kinsbury and all these offensive gurus who have come and gone and none of them have won a fucking thing. But yeah, let’s copy that! Stats!!
College football is won and lost at the LOS not on a chalkboard and nobody to date has ever won the big trophy without running the ball and playing defense to hoist it.
You might win that final game with some tweaks, but you got there running the ball and playing defense or you lost that big game.
See UF in 1995. Went in favored. Got destroyed. But stats!! You gonna question SOS’s ball plays? Really?
A former Georgia high school qb is going to win a title this year. It’s just a matter of which one. Why? Because of the other side of the ball and a physical running game.
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Saban never lost to a team as bad as a 2-3 USCe team. Not with a team as talented as talented as we are. If you make it to the title game as consistently as he has, you’re doing something right. Saban’s ability to evolve as the game does is why he’s still the best coach in the league.
You speak in absolutes. Not many people would argue with you that defense + strong run game wins championships. But that doesn’t mean you can’t also have an innovative passing attack when you need it (see OSU). We are so predictable on offense half the stadium knows what we’re going to run before the play is called. It’s excruciating to watch and induces 4th quarter panic attacks. You seem to argue this is all part of Kirby’s master plan, but he’s expressed frustration with the offense himself. We don’t have the guys on the outside and Coley isn’t that good. It’s as simple as that.
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You say “innovative” but what you mean is more pass completions. If they were running up and down the field you wouldn’t know if they were running an offense from 1962 or one that no one has seen yet.
So my first point is that suggesting that our offense isn’t based in “innovation” is bullshit because you wouldn’t fucking know, would you?
Second, yes it would be nice if the plays we called worked better. No doubt. Guess what? They have. There have been times we’ve gone up and down the field vs. Alabama and times where we couldn’t get a yard vs. Vandy. Same coach. Same plays. Different players.
What’s conclusions can one draw?
Kirby is smart when the plays work and dumb when the plays don’t? I know that’s what most couch coordinators come up with in their moments of sheer football genius.
The other is that because players change they aren’t always executing the plays that are called as effectively as they might. I think this is the more reasonable conclusion.
Beyond wondering where you bitches can find some humility and industrial strength PMS meds, I’d suggest that you accept that the idea that reinventing ourselves now probably wouldn’t work well. I’d also accept the fact that no one has won a damn thing being something different than what we are aspiring to be. It’s a journey not a destination.
Deviating from that path to emulate something that has a track record of not a goddamned thing is fucking stupid.
We’re going to play for a sec title for the third straight time and the geniuses around here say: give me change!!!!
I’m mildly unimpressed to say the least.
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Kirby’s been calling the plays this season and last season? News to me…
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LSU has more wins over Bama than Kirby, which isn’t nothing.
Bama moved away from Manball before Tua btw, and won a few more national titles (but I’m sure Bama fans are secretly angry Tua threw the ball so much in 2017 instead of imposing their will by running on 1st and 2nd down over and over again.)
Also can’t help but note you’re leaving Clemson out (especially as they beat Bama thanks to passing and defense, not manball.)
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Clemson won with passing and defense…passing to a freshman WR to boot. Ours are still apparently learning to block.
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Clemson was 10th in the nation in rushing in 2018.
Try again.
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Tua played a half of meaningful in the 2017 season moron.
Jalen hurts was their qb in 2016 and 2017.
Alabama wasn’t a 50% passing team until Tua.
Facts are tough.
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Ah yes, I forgot, putting up rushing numbers when your QB is frequently your leading rusher is exactly the same as the nigh-unwatchable manball offense Coley’s trotted out this season.
And I suppose you have some excuse to gloss over Clemson throwing for 5,000 yds and rushing for only half that and winning a title in 2016 as well
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We may hear “half vanilla” about our offense, but I would bet good money that we will never here “exotic” used as an adjective to any Kirby offense…now, and going forward. And it may be the reason we miss out on reaching our potential under him several times. Not suggesting anything near a Mile Leach AirRaid, or a Chip Kelly spread attack, but something like Richt/Bobo’s offense married with Kirby’s 2017 & 2019 defense would bring in mucho titles for UGA.
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Because CKS s a defensive coach and we have Schotty running our O.
What is the difference in points scored last year vs this year?
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6 ppg lower. And the rush numbers have gone down a lot (on pace for the worst overall rush totals since 2016, and not hitting 3,000 total rush yards for the third year in a row.)
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When we beat LSU…you gone let this go? Asking for a friend.
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Also, it’s gone rain…yes I meant to use gone, both times. 🙂
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Why don’t I just stop blogging now and save your friend the anguish of asking dumb questions?
Amazing that as much as we had folks bandy the word “Richtophile” about, nobody really gets on anyone’s case about Kirby worship. He’s a great coach, but he’s not infallible.
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On our way to the Rose Bowl you wrote something like “It will never get better than this”. I guess you were even more right than I thought at the time.
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I take that as a no. I’ll pass it on.
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Whatever
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Also tell your friend this is a blog where we get to discuss all things UGA football. That includes the offense, which is a mess right now. Even the players and Kirby himself don’t deny this. If posts about the offense bore you scroll on to the next one.
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He may be a great DEFENSIVE coach. He is a great recruiter. I’m not sold he is a great head coach.
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And there is one, and only one thing, that would sell you and if he did it you’d demand a second?
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In reading all of the above comments, I would add that this shouldn’t have to be a hard-line decision where we have to pick a side. I’m utterly fascinated and giddy at the thought of grinding down opponents to a fine dust and going 5-0 to hoist the big trophy. It could happen. I even think it could be the best strategy for LSU onwards (if we get there).
But I’m also frustrated that every question about the offense is met with:
–nah, can’t do that
–well, we’ve gotten away from that
–but that type of play risks x, y and z
–we don’t think we have the guys to do this, that or this
So I sit here and wonder what it is that we actually do besides trying to turn a 4quarter affair into a 2 quarter affair and what it actually takes to do things that I never considered all that exotic or risky. I mean, we don’t do play action, we don’t throw slants, the QB doesn’t ever keep it, we don’t go from under center, we don’t do toss sweeps, we don’t use a full back, we don’t throw to a tight end, we don’t throw between the hashes unless it’s over the top……WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WE DO HERE ?
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Great post!
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That is as close to the thoughts in my head during a game as I’ve seen on here, nailed it!
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Hell if I know. It’s a good approach when you have a great defense…until you meet a team that can actually move the ball on your defense. Then your 3 and out offense is losing time of possession and play count battle and now your defense is really up against it. Also, your margin for error is very small, as we saw in the SC game.
I feel like aTm might give us the closest look to LSU as we will have seen all season. Athletes all over the offense and a play caller who likes to open it up.
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Senator, you answered this in a previous post this morning. With Red Zone numbers like ours, why push the offense? Pound away. Wear the other guys out. Get in the RZ and know you’re coming away with points while the other team isn’t. Post an “ugly” win and move on. Why open up the offense if the defense has the game in hand?
If the USCe failure is the counter-argument, then two rebuttals: 1) Turnovers cost us RZ scores. Those are never in the plan and missing a FG to win is not even contemplated, but it happened. 2) Kirby was OK with that loss and playing tight the rest of the way to keep his team on edge. He’s holding the offense back…a little…for the championship run.
I don’t expect to see anything different vs. TAMU….24-17 sounds right. We’ll run all over Tech and he’ll let the kids play loose for the scrimmage it will be, so that will be a blowout but not really a sign of how we’ll play vs. LSU.
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Man, I doubt I bet this game because my first, and second, instinct was this is too many points to give to A&M. As the week has progressed, I have this gut instinct that the offense is going to show up (to the degree KS allows) and UGA wins comfortably. The match up suggests about a 10 point win to me but another TD or so wouldn’t surprise me at all. I don’t fear their offense a great deal, except for Mond escaping for some key runs. Put a spy on him and shut the offense down enough to 17 or below. I think we get 27+ so something like 27/31 to 13/17, Dawgs win.
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This is getting weary now. Second guessing and criticizing our HC will not do anything except make you grate your teeth as you sleep. I’m not against voicing your druthers nor that some remarks call to question certain games and what happens at the last that frightens some enough not even to bet the next week because Kirby may cause their nightmare of watching their daughter’s college scholarship go down the Vegas drain.
No one has yet considered that, as the game goes along, what we are doing is being deduced as fast as we change our plays to compensate for their last deduction of what we are doing. Some of the 4th qtr angst can be placed on the coaching of the team we are playing as they catch on to the way our D is stopping them after halftime and they come up with plays that scheme around that to give them a better advantage in the latter parts of the game. That’s all. That action by their O against our D based upon accrued knowledge after halftime becomes part of the reason that CKS plays conservative to win before they rip our D to shreds with their growing knowledge of what makes our D effective against their particular O.
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Why doesn’t that work equally in reverse, O Weary One?
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Could be that their D was covering all WRs and penetrating our line and reversing the field position to their favor whereas the opposite had occurred for over half the game. Camarda’s kicking advantage was blunted, Aub D confidence growing, etc ? Why do you think it didn’t work equally in reverse?
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Missing my point, Mr. Weary. Why didn’t Georgia’s offense figure out what Auburn’s defense was doing in the fourth quarter and produce similarly?
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Going three-and-out 9 times in the same game definitely sounds like a great way to keep your defense from getting ripped to shreds.
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I’ve wondered many times this year why Kirby does not seem able (or willing) to self-scout his own offense. Take off his HC headset and watch game tape as a DC. Seems if he did he would see the deficiencies with our offense pretty easily and adjust accordingly. When he was Bama, he was thrilled when teams with a narrow talent gap to his team went manball on his defense. Bama could shut them down. It was the more up tempo and open offenses (where the RPO fake was credible) that skewered his D over the years.
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Blutarsky Comment Section, 2024:
“We gotta fire Kirby! He can’t win the big game! Let’s hire that Offensive Coordinator, Joe Cox, from Florida. He’s a Georgia Man!”
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Hey, man… where you been? Good to see you back commenting.
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